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Thread started 10/04/16 1:17pm

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On Kim K.

For anyone who knows me, they know I’m no fan of Kim Kardashian, the family, the show, or anything else. I don’t much care for Kanye either. Never have. He’s an egomaniac with little to hold up his claims. The Kardashians are talentless and popular people with nothing to offer the world. I’m never sure what people are fans of, when they say they love the Kardashians.

However, all that said - I have been reading about the recent kidnapping and heist of Kim Kardashian while she was at fashion week in Paris. It’s a rather horrific story, of being bombarded by two men, faking their cop uniforms, being handcuffed, bound and gagged, with a gun held to your head, then put in a bathtub, while your personal items are also being taken. Designer, and all around nutjob, Karl Lagerfeld has said “you shouldn’t display your wealth”. This victim blaming from a man who wears expensive leather gloves, carries a fan, and wears his own designer clothes everywhere he goes. Sit down Karl, you’re drunk.

Let’s face it - the Kardashians are fodder for everyone. They put their lives on display (and more, thanks to Ray J.), and create a quasi-buzz around themselves. When you’re asking your Insta-followers what shoes you should wear, you can’t bitch when someone criticizes your shoe choice. (It’s a bit like voting - you put a guy in there, then complain because he’s fucking up. You hired him, you can’t complain.) They have no real touch with reality and how regular folks live, and they maneuver through a cloud of flashbulbs and mobile phones. Kim has people who edit photos before she posts “a candid at home” shot of her on her Instagram account. There’s no reality in reality TV, and the Kardashians are a prime example of that.

But I suppose behind all that makeup, tits, ass, and publicity of nothingness, there are people. What’s gotten lost is the humanity of the situation. Take Kardashian out of it - would it mean more if it were Bette Midler? What about Ellen and Portia? Or your mother or sister? Your boyfriend? I can only image the primal fear that went through Kim’s mind when a gun is pointed at her head, and she’s absolutely and totally helpless. She’s alone in a bathtub, wondering if this is the last thing she’ll ever see or hear or know. She won’t get to see her children, or her husband, or her sisters, or her mother. Death is always tough, but facing it when it’s not your own doing (as in making peace during an illness, etc) has to be even more difficult.

Karl Lagerfeld is dead wrong. Oprah said that she’s not ashamed that she’s rich and has money. She’s worked for it. She doesn’t walk around in diamonds and fur coats, but then again she’s not at fashion week either, where everyone should be dressed to the 9s in some regard. Kim is a high profile person, and a huge target for people who want to extort money out of her. It’s happened a million times over with celebrities.

I’ve not made any jokes about the Kim situation, nor will I. Their show is vapid and banal (and yes I’ve watched it a couple of times long ago), and offers nothing at the end of 60 minutes. But even if I don’t like them, I don’t want them dead or hurt. (I would like them to disappear off television forever.) I’m glad she’s okay, and props to Kanye for literally leaving in the middle of a song, in the middle of a concert when he got news of what had happened. “I’m sorry. I have a family emergency... the show.” were his last words during “Heartless” that night.

Still not watching them, though.

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Reply #1 posted 10/04/16 1:38pm

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Glad no one was hurt or the kids.

It was too easy............. inside job me thinks hmmm

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Reply #2 posted 10/04/16 1:44pm

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luv4u said:

Glad no one was hurt or the kids.

It was too easy............. inside job me thinks hmmm


Actually, there's a jewel heist ring called Pink Panthers that are suspected in the whole thing.

From the linked article...

Although police have made no arrests yet, the French media have quickly speculated that the robbery could be the work of the Pink Panthers, a network of jewel thieves from the Balkan countries whose raids have targeted the most valuable gems on the planet. The group — named after the 1963 Blak...ards movie — has netted about $372 million worth of gems in about 380 heists since 1999, in countries across Europe, and in Dubai, Japan and elsewhere, according to Interpol, the international police organization.


The Kardashian robbery is not the first time sophisticated jewel thieves, including the Pink Panthers, have focused on France, especially during events like Paris Fashion Week, which ends on Tuesday. In March last year, armed men ambushed two secure vans on the highway between Paris and Lyon, and robbed about $10 million worth of jewels inside. A Harry Winston store on Paris’s top-end Avenue Montaigne was robbed twice, in 2007 and again in 2008, with men dressed as construction workers stealing about $35 million worth of jewels in the first robbery, and the same network dressed as women, with wigs and fishnet tights, making off with about $79 million worth of gems a year later.

And, in one of the Pink Panthers’ most audacious hauls, a lone member strolled into an Carlton International Hotel in Cannes in 2013, and walked out a minute later, with $138 million worth of gems, part of a exhibition entitled “Extraordinary Diamonds.”

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Reply #3 posted 10/04/16 1:51pm

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^^^^ eek If it is the Pink Panthers. Good luck getting the jewellery back.

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Reply #4 posted 10/04/16 2:05pm

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luv4u said:

^^^^ eek If it is the Pink Panthers. Good luck getting the jewellery back.


Yeah, it's still a small price for being alive and relatively undamaged physically. I'm sure she's shaken up beyond belief inside.

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Reply #5 posted 10/04/16 2:18pm

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luv4u said:


^^^^ eek If it is the Pink Panthers. Good luck getting the jewellery back.




Yeah, it's still a small price for being alive and relatively undamaged physically. I'm sure she's shaken up beyond belief inside.


It will also be insured anyway.
I agree on everything the OP wrote. I can't stand what that family represents, and as a rule I never comment on anything they do. I'm not even sure that I know how to spell their surname (I'm sure I'd get it right though). But it wasn't just the reality tv personality getting attacked, it was a real person fearing for their life, and I have the same sympathy for her as I would for anyone else in that situation.
There seem to be quite a lot of people who think it was a publicity stunt. I can't believe she'd do that - apart from all the legal issues it would cause her, including the possibility of jail time, I guess, it would be the end of her 'career', and if there's anything we know about that family is that they know what they are doing.
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Reply #6 posted 10/04/16 2:25pm

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It will also be insured anyway. I agree on everything the OP wrote. I can't stand what that family represents, and as a rule I never comment on anything they do. I'm not even sure that I know how to spell their surname (I'm sure I'd get it right though). But it wasn't just the reality tv personality getting attacked, it was a real person fearing for their life, and I have the same sympathy for her as I would for anyone else in that situation. There seem to be quite a lot of people who think it was a publicity stunt. I can't believe she'd do that - apart from all the legal issues it would cause her, including the possibility of jail time, I guess, it would be the end of her 'career', and if there's anything we know about that family is that they know what they are doing.


I heard the publicity stunt comments, and it's what prompted me to write what I did. As if the Kardashians need more publicity? For what? She was there solely to support her sisters (the Jenners) as they are models and were in a lot of the shows that week.

It annoys me when people demote a situation to "just a publicity stunt". It's lazy thinking, I believe, and pedestrian. It's the same argument when someone says "Oh, they're just jealous". Of what, exactly, are they so jealous that they'd do something so big and outrageous and time-consuming? You're right in that the legal ramifications of a stunt like this, involving Interpol etc,. would be more publicity and headache than they'd ever bargain for. Again, I'm no defender of them, but rather I wanted to highlight the violence of the situation and how any jokester would feel if it happened to them. Of course, most of us don't have that kinda bling sitting around, either. haha

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Reply #7 posted 10/04/16 3:19pm

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nonames said:



It will also be insured anyway. I agree on everything the OP wrote. I can't stand what that family represents, and as a rule I never comment on anything they do. I'm not even sure that I know how to spell their surname (I'm sure I'd get it right though). But it wasn't just the reality tv personality getting attacked, it was a real person fearing for their life, and I have the same sympathy for her as I would for anyone else in that situation. There seem to be quite a lot of people who think it was a publicity stunt. I can't believe she'd do that - apart from all the legal issues it would cause her, including the possibility of jail time, I guess, it would be the end of her 'career', and if there's anything we know about that family is that they know what they are doing.


I heard the publicity stunt comments, and it's what prompted me to write what I did. As if the Kardashians need more publicity? For what? She was there solely to support her sisters (the Jenners) as they are models and were in a lot of the shows that week.

It annoys me when people demote a situation to "just a publicity stunt". It's lazy thinking, I believe, and pedestrian. It's the same argument when someone says "Oh, they're just jealous". Of what, exactly, are they so jealous that they'd do something so big and outrageous and time-consuming? You're right in that the legal ramifications of a stunt like this, involving Interpol etc,. would be more publicity and headache than they'd ever bargain for. Again, I'm no defender of them, but rather I wanted to highlight the violence of the situation and how any jokester would feel if it happened to them. Of course, most of us don't have that kinda bling sitting around, either. haha


I think I've already agreed with you, really. But answering your question: publicity is all they have (or at least where it all began), so they need publicity stunts (I know nothing about the models, though: no idea whether they are good models or just work due to their name). But again, I don't believe this is the case for once, it would be going too far even for them. And she must have been terrified, particularly if her kid was wih her at the time.
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Reply #8 posted 10/04/16 3:39pm

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nonames said:

TrivialPursuit said:



luv4u said:


^^^^ eek If it is the Pink Panthers. Good luck getting the jewellery back.




Yeah, it's still a small price for being alive and relatively undamaged physically. I'm sure she's shaken up beyond belief inside.


It will also be insured anyway.
I agree on everything the OP wrote. I can't stand what that family represents, and as a rule I never comment on anything they do. I'm not even sure that I know how to spell their surname (I'm sure I'd get it right though). But it wasn't just the reality tv personality getting attacked, it was a real person fearing for their life, and I have the same sympathy for her as I would for anyone else in that situation.
There seem to be quite a lot of people who think it was a publicity stunt. I can't believe she'd do that - apart from all the legal issues it would cause her, including the possibility of jail time, I guess, it would be the end of her 'career', and if there's anything we know about that family is that they know what they are doing.


I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I would never wish this kind of traumatizing experience on other celebrities or anyone I know personally. I will be praying for her.
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Reply #9 posted 10/04/16 4:00pm

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I'm glad she came out of it okay. Hope they catch the thieves.

But this doesn't need to supercede everything else, as I saw it doing yesterday, and I'm sure it's doing today.

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Reply #10 posted 10/04/16 4:18pm

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nonames said:


I think I've already agreed with you, really.


I know. I was just expanding on the conversation, that's all. smile

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Reply #11 posted 10/04/16 4:52pm

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What comes to mind is how many women I know who are hardly famous but love to post selfies that show off so much of what they have; AND they don't have any type of body guard or security system, yikes.

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Reply #12 posted 10/09/16 10:12am

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There must be a ton of people who are victims of crime - why is your heart bleeding for Kim, specifically??

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Reply #13 posted 10/09/16 11:42am

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There must be a ton of people who are victims of crime - why is your heart bleeding for Kim, specifically??


First, my heart isn't bleeding for anyone in that family. That's rather melodramatic. As I stated, " What’s gotten lost is the humanity of the situation." There's a lot of victim-blaming going on. It reminds me a bit of when men get drunk and we hear "He was drunk. He's a good guy otherwise", but when women get drunk it's "she was drunk, what did she think was going to happen?".

I don't know about others who are a victim of crime. I know about this one because it's a big news story, ergo my addressing it specifically, and even saying "It’s a rather horrific story, of being bombarded by two men, faking their cop uniforms, being handcuffed, bound and gagged, with a gun held to your head, then put in a bathtub, while your personal items are also being taken... Take Kardashian out of it, what if it was your mother?".

There was a ton of people who died on April 21. Did anyone here mention them in the last six months?

And to address Deadflow3r, she does have security and a bodyguard. They weren't nearby when this happened, and the guys forced their way into the suite she was staying in. It seems if they stepped away for a minute, the thieves saw that and seized the opportunity.

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Reply #14 posted 10/09/16 12:26pm

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never heard of her

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Reply #15 posted 10/09/16 12:34pm

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MoBettaBliss said:

never heard of her


You're protesting too hard.

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Reply #16 posted 10/09/16 12:35pm

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MoBettaBliss said:

never heard of her


You're protesting too hard.


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seriously though... who is she?

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Reply #17 posted 10/09/16 2:25pm

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Sentiments on this topic in this thread are quite different: http://prince.org/msg/8/433158

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Reply #18 posted 10/09/16 5:46pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

However, all that said - I have been reading about t

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