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Thread started 07/25/16 2:36pm

EmmaMcG

Batman: The Killing Joke

I just seen the new animated Batman movie, The Killing Joke and as much as I liked Dawn of Justice, this was so much better. Granted, it's based off a very famous comic book (which I never read) so perhaps it was easier for the filmmakers to adapt, but I just wonder how it would have been received if instead of Dawn of Justice, Ben Affleck starred in a live action Killing Joke movie. It would have been R rated but Deadpool proved that is not a major obstacle to overcome in search of box office success.

I don't want to spoil anything for anyone not familiar with the story, but if you felt let down by Dawn of Justice then I'd definitely recommend The Killing Joke.
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Reply #1 posted 07/25/16 2:44pm

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Honestly I still think most of the animated stuff is better than live action. Animation is able to captured the feel better than live action does..........................and don't you think I forgot about that Harley Quinn picture.

http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10yQNJFXXXXXZXFXXq6xXFXXXj/2016-%ED%8C%90%EB%A7%A4-%EB%8F%8C%EC%A7%84-%EC%97%86%EC%9D%8C-%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84-%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%BC-cuadros-%EB%A7%8C%ED%99%94-superheros-%EB%B2%95%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%80-%EB%A6%AC%EA%B7%B8-4-%ED%81%AC%EA%B8%B0-%ED%99%88-%EC%9E%A5%EC%8B%9D-%EC%BA%94%EB%B2%84%EC%8A%A4.jpg

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Reply #2 posted 07/25/16 4:01pm

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I have my ticket. I will be viewing it in the theater tonight... ONE NIGHT ONLY!

This is the first time since 1993's Mask of the Phantasm, that a Batman animated movie is being shown on the big screen! I bought the The Killing Joke comic book back in '89, but not a big fan of the story.

Without posting any spoilers for those who have not read the graphic novel nor seen the movie... Batgirl is one of my favorite DC characters. This is the reason I do not care for this story and subsequent storylines that came after this.

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Reply #3 posted 07/25/16 4:06pm

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these were the best story lines for the justice league

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Reply #4 posted 07/25/16 4:09pm

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KingBAD said:

these were the best story lines for the justice league

i liked it more when they upgraded the animation for it

i am KING BAD!!!
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Reply #5 posted 07/25/16 4:09pm

EmmaMcG

kpowers said:

Honestly I still think most of the animated stuff is better than live action. Animation is able to captured the feel better than live action does.....and don't you think I forgot about that Harley Quinn picture.


http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10yQNJFXXXXXZXFXXq6xXFXXXj/2016-%ED%8C%90%EB%A7%A4-%EB%8F%8C%EC%A7%84-%EC%97%86%EC%9D%8C-%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84-%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%BC-cuadros-%EB%A7%8C%ED%99%94-superheros-%EB%B2%95%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%80-%EB%A6%AC%EA%B7%B8-4-%ED%81%AC%EA%B8%B0-%ED%99%88-%EC%9E%A5%EC%8B%9D-%EC%BA%94%EB%B2%84%EC%8A%A4.jpg



Why do you think that is though? Surely a live action movie SHOULD be able to bring to life the stories from the comics. Maybe the right director or writer hasn't tried yet? I've said it before but I truly believe that the best version of Batman was the 90's animated series. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are the definitive Batman and Joker. And they're not the only thing that sets the 90's series apart from everything else. The writing was top notch. The Heart of Ice episode still gets to me. Harvey Dent's transformation into Two Face was handled a lot better than either of the movies in which he's appeared. And I'm looking forward to Suicide Squad but I have absolutely no doubt that Harley Quinn won't live up to the animated version.

As for my own rendition of Harley Quinn, it's not particularly flattering, so IF I decide to show it, it will have to be by orgNote because there's no way I'd want that out in the wild.
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Reply #6 posted 07/25/16 4:10pm

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KingBAD said:

these were the best story lines for the justice league

i liked it more when they upgraded the animation for it

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
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Reply #7 posted 07/25/16 4:32pm

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i always liked this outlook and i believe it to be sound

and we know who really kills the joker and how...

but we have a couple of versions of the bat killin joker...

this one

and this one

but we know how it is with the alien

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[Edited 7/25/16 16:41pm]

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Reply #8 posted 07/25/16 4:42pm

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KingBAD said:

these were the best story lines for the justice league

The best was justice league unlimited

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Reply #9 posted 07/25/16 4:48pm

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Honestly I still think most of the animated stuff is better than live action. Animation is able to captured the feel better than live action does..........................and don't you think I forgot about that Harley Quinn picture.

http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10yQNJFXXXXXZXFXXq6xXFXXXj/2016-%ED%8C%90%EB%A7%A4-%EB%8F%8C%EC%A7%84-%EC%97%86%EC%9D%8C-%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84-%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%BC-cuadros-%EB%A7%8C%ED%99%94-superheros-%EB%B2%95%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%80-%EB%A6%AC%EA%B7%B8-4-%ED%81%AC%EA%B8%B0-%ED%99%88-%EC%9E%A5%EC%8B%9D-%EC%BA%94%EB%B2%84%EC%8A%A4.jpg

Why do you think that is though? Surely a live action movie SHOULD be able to bring to life the stories from the comics. Maybe the right director or writer hasn't tried yet? I've said it before but I truly believe that the best version of Batman was the 90's animated series. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are the definitive Batman and Joker. And they're not the only thing that sets the 90's series apart from everything else. The writing was top notch. The Heart of Ice episode still gets to me. Harvey Dent's transformation into Two Face was handled a lot better than either of the movies in which he's appeared. And I'm looking forward to Suicide Squad but I have absolutely no doubt that Harley Quinn won't live up to the animated version. As for my own rendition of Harley Quinn, it's not particularly flattering, so IF I decide to show it, it will have to be by orgNote because there's no way I'd want that out in the wild.

It's just they way I feel. I guess you can do more in animation than live action. Also animation they draw them (usualy) they way they should look and dress. I agree with you that the best version of Batman was the 90's animated series. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are the definitive Batman and Joker. OK for the org note batman thumbs up!

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Reply #10 posted 07/25/16 4:51pm

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TheBatman said:

I have my ticket. I will be viewing it in the theater tonight... ONE NIGHT ONLY!

This is the first time since 1993's Mask of the Phantasm, that a Batman animated movie is being shown on the big screen! I bought the The Killing Joke comic book back in '89, but not a big fan of the story.

Without posting any spoilers for those who have not read the graphic novel nor seen the movie... Batgirl is one of my favorite DC characters. This is the reason I do not care for this story and subsequent storylines that came after this.

That is better than ANY of the Batman movies to come out

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Reply #11 posted 07/25/16 5:02pm

RodeoSchro

kpowers said:

Honestly I still think most of the animated stuff is better than live action. Animation is able to captured the feel better than live action does..........................and don't you think I forgot about that Harley Quinn picture.

http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10yQNJFXXXXXZXFXXq6xXFXXXj/2016-%ED%8C%90%EB%A7%A4-%EB%8F%8C%EC%A7%84-%EC%97%86%EC%9D%8C-%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84-%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%BC-cuadros-%EB%A7%8C%ED%99%94-superheros-%EB%B2%95%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%80-%EB%A6%AC%EA%B7%B8-4-%ED%81%AC%EA%B8%B0-%ED%99%88-%EC%9E%A5%EC%8B%9D-%EC%BA%94%EB%B2%84%EC%8A%A4.jpg



That dude in the middle? THAT is Superman.

I can give the updated Batman a pass, because The Batman was originally dark. But Superman?

No. For me, Superman is, was and always will be that guy in the middle of this picture. Anything else is a poor imitation.

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Reply #12 posted 07/25/16 5:54pm

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RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

Honestly I still think most of the animated stuff is better than live action. Animation is able to captured the feel better than live action does..........................and don't you think I forgot about that Harley Quinn picture.

http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10yQNJFXXXXXZXFXXq6xXFXXXj/2016-%ED%8C%90%EB%A7%A4-%EB%8F%8C%EC%A7%84-%EC%97%86%EC%9D%8C-%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84-%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%BC-cuadros-%EB%A7%8C%ED%99%94-superheros-%EB%B2%95%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%80-%EB%A6%AC%EA%B7%B8-4-%ED%81%AC%EA%B8%B0-%ED%99%88-%EC%9E%A5%EC%8B%9D-%EC%BA%94%EB%B2%84%EC%8A%A4.jpg



That dude in the middle? THAT is Superman.

I can give the updated Batman a pass, because The Batman was originally dark. But Superman?

No. For me, Superman is, was and always will be that guy in the middle of this picture. Anything else is a poor imitation.

Batman was still a bad ass back then

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Reply #13 posted 07/25/16 6:43pm

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giggle spiderman could kick both their assets

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Reply #14 posted 07/26/16 5:22am

kpowers

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XxAxX said:

giggle spiderman could kick both their assets

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Reply #15 posted 07/26/16 5:41am

uPtoWnNY

Have you seen the Justice League trailer? They actually made Aquaman look cool.

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Reply #16 posted 07/26/16 7:48am

TrevorAyer

I have to admit .. not a fan of superhero movies too much .. cap america is usually a fun watch but could not stand most of the spidey superman batman crap that has come out .. i did enjoy bat v supe

that said .. i loved watching the justice leage cartoons with my son .. those were great!!! gonna have to check out this killing joke flik

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Reply #17 posted 07/26/16 11:47am

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uPtoWnNY said:

Have you seen the Justice League trailer? They actually made Aquaman look cool.

Jason Momoa seems more like Ronon from Stargate Atlantis

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Reply #18 posted 07/26/16 3:36pm

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kpowers said:

KingBAD said:

these were the best story lines for the justice league

justice league unlimited just sukkked

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Reply #19 posted 07/26/16 6:07pm

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KingBAD said:

kpowers said:

justice league unlimited just sukkked

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/rsxejbwsp2etag4izhcv.png

Really??? The same writers/creators from Justice League. Even you said like it when they upgraded the animation

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Reply #20 posted 07/26/16 10:02pm

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kpowers said:

KingBAD said:

Really??? The same writers/creators from Justice League. Even you said like it when they upgraded the animation

different story lines...

that 'ultimate' may have been the same writers

but they grew up by time they wrote for the last ones...

i mean, i kinda didn't watch ultimate when they put superman

in a spacesuit... and the animation wasn't all that...

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Reply #21 posted 07/26/16 10:03pm

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I'm very excited to see this! Its the first rated R Batman movie.I Already preordered the bluray limited edition copy with the little joker figure .iM looking forward to Tuesday! biggrin
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Reply #22 posted 07/26/16 11:46pm

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KingBAD said:

kpowers said:

Really??? The same writers/creators from Justice League. Even you said like it when they upgraded the animation

different story lines...

that 'ultimate' may have been the same writers

but they grew up by time they wrote for the last ones...

i mean, i kinda didn't watch ultimate when they put superman

in a spacesuit... and the animation wasn't all that...

Hated that it ended when Darkseid showed up. Love the new legion of Doom

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Reply #23 posted 07/27/16 3:36am

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RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

Honestly I still think most of the animated stuff is better than live action. Animation is able to captured the feel better than live action does..........................and don't you think I forgot about that Harley Quinn picture.

http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10yQNJFXXXXXZXFXXq6xXFXXXj/2016-%ED%8C%90%EB%A7%A4-%EB%8F%8C%EC%A7%84-%EC%97%86%EC%9D%8C-%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84-%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%BC-cuadros-%EB%A7%8C%ED%99%94-superheros-%EB%B2%95%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%80-%EB%A6%AC%EA%B7%B8-4-%ED%81%AC%EA%B8%B0-%ED%99%88-%EC%9E%A5%EC%8B%9D-%EC%BA%94%EB%B2%84%EC%8A%A4.jpg



That dude in the middle? THAT is Superman.

I can give the updated Batman a pass, because The Batman was originally dark. But Superman?

No. For me, Superman is, was and always will be that guy in the middle of this picture. Anything else is a poor imitation.

As well as the rest of them. Best line up ever. Do wish Black lightning would have joined.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf1hdcPtMS1qbgo38o1_500.jpg

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Reply #24 posted 07/30/16 7:25am

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TheBatman said:

I have my ticket. I will be viewing it in the theater tonight... ONE NIGHT ONLY!

This is the first time since 1993's Mask of the Phantasm, that a Batman animated movie is being shown on the big screen! I bought the The Killing Joke comic book back in '89, but not a big fan of the story.

Without posting any spoilers for those who have not read the graphic novel nor seen the movie... Batgirl is one of my favorite DC characters. This is the reason I do not care for this story and subsequent storylines that came after this.


I never knew, and now I'm curious.
What?
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Reply #25 posted 08/09/16 9:27am

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EmmaMcG said:

Why do you think that is though? Surely a live action movie SHOULD be able to bring to life the stories from the comics. Maybe the right director or writer hasn't tried yet? I've said it before but I truly believe that the best version of Batman was the 90's animated series. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are the definitive Batman and Joker. And they're not the only thing that sets the 90's series apart from everything else. The writing was top notch. The Heart of Ice episode still gets to me. Harvey Dent's transformation into Two Face was handled a lot better than either of the movies in which he's appeared. And I'm looking forward to Suicide Squad but I have absolutely no doubt that Harley Quinn won't live up to the animated version. As for my own rendition of Harley Quinn, it's not particularly flattering, so IF I decide to show it, it will have to be by orgNote because there's no way I'd want that out in the wild.


TAS is of course the best Batman on film. Perhaps WB should tap Bruce Timm to be in charge of the their current DCU movies. He's proven to be the best at adapting the universe to the screen.

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TheBatman said:

Without posting any spoilers for those who have not read the graphic novel nor seen the movie... Batgirl is one of my favorite DC characters. This is the reason I do not care for this story and subsequent storylines that came after this.

Understood. Do you think the additional padding to the comic story for the movie worked? Seems to me the new elements were good for Batgirl. No?

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Reply #27 posted 08/09/16 12:26pm

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Im going to skip past all the above post so i dont spoil anything.
But I've had the movie on my tablet a week or more. I got to watch it soon. lol
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djThunderfunk said:

TheBatman said:

Without posting any spoilers for those who have not read the graphic novel nor seen the movie... Batgirl is one of my favorite DC characters. This is the reason I do not care for this story and subsequent storylines that came after this.

Understood. Do you think the additional padding to the comic story for the movie worked? Seems to me the new elements were good for Batgirl. No?


I enjoyed it, up until they crossed the line they did, between her and Batman.

I think it could have worked better and made her character stronger, had they made Batgirl all about taking care of business. When they started making it personal, with Francesco and then Batman... that took a weird turn for me.

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TheBatman said:

djThunderfunk said:

Understood. Do you think the additional padding to the comic story for the movie worked? Seems to me the new elements were good for Batgirl. No?


I enjoyed it, up until they crossed the line they did, between her and Batman.

I think it could have worked better and made her character stronger, had they made Batgirl all about taking care of business. When they started making it personal, with Francesco and then Batman... that took a weird turn for me.


I think it took a weird turn for the characters, too. Thought that was kind of the point.

It really fits into Bruce Timm's DCverse for me, beyond the lead actors, in that there was some inappropriate tension between the two characters in some of the later episodes of BTAS, and seemed to be unspoken issues between them in Batman Beyond. I think what they did here fits neetly between those two series.

It wasn't "right". But it works.

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