Well her body is not to at all but her face it's not bad

To each their own ...

Pokeno4Money said:

JustErin said:

I'm sorry, what?

She is a self-described feminist. Many of her followers & supporters are feminists.

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Pokeno4Money said:

Pokeno4Money said:

To each their own ...

She's the type of chick that would grow on you. You may not be excited when you first meet her, but after a while of getting to know her and finding out she's cool...yeah, I'd do her...

Aren't there a lot of women who don't enjoy being eaten?

JustErin said:

Pokeno4Money said:

She is a self-described feminist. Many of her followers & supporters are feminists.

Ok but what exactly is the obvious that these feminists are denying?

She's not what the majority of society considers to be attractive in terms of both looks and personality, hence the likely reason why the men she meets tend to be selfish when it comes to oral.

Feminists believe all women are beautiful inside and out, but that's not what much of society believes.

Personally I think it's great that she has so much confidence and self esteem that she thinks she's hot shit. But reality is most of those guys that refused to do her, wouldn't have refused if she looked and acted more like Kristin Kreuk and less like Debra DiGiovanni.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Pokeno4Money said:

JustErin said:

Pokeno4Money said: Ok but what exactly is the obvious that these feminists are denying?

She's not what the majority of society considers to be attractive in terms of both looks and personality, hence the likely reason why the men she meets tend to be selfish when it comes to oral.

Feminists believe all women are beautiful inside and out, but that's not what much of society believes.

Personally I think it's great that she has so much confidence and self esteem that she thinks she's hot shit. But reality is most of those guys that refused to do her, wouldn't have refused if she looked and acted more like Kristin Kreuk and less like Debra DiGiovanni.

That's interesting because the world I live in sees women of this level of attractiveness (and much less) with men every day - regardless of what is apparently the societal ideal when it comes to beauty.

I always find it funny when a dude tries to tell a woman what "feminists" believe. Feminists believe that women should have the same equal rights and opportunity as men - and that's the bottom line. Kinda like her article. If a guy expects a woman to suck his dick he should expect to reciprocate - so don't expect it and don't get all indignant when she refuses to do it because you refuse to go down, that's all she is saying really. Did she really say anything about being hot shit? She may have a shitty personality but I've never really seen that prevent girls from getting men either.

Also, this is the most current picture of her on her twitter account - she looks like a chick a lot of average Joes would be into.

CalhounSq said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aren't there a lot of women who don't enjoy being eaten?

*does not know these women*

I've had discussion with women who I think it was more about being 'unfamiliar' or 'uncomfortable' with their own pleasure. Like I believe more men masturbate than women. It's like 2nd nature for us, but I don't think so for women. They had to have a liberation to even being openly exploring that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

CalhounSq said:

OldFriends4Sale said: *does not know these women*

I've had discussion with women who I think it was more about being 'unfamiliar' or 'uncomfortable' with their own pleasure. Like I believe more men masturbate than women. It's like 2nd nature for us, but I don't think so for women. They had to have a liberation to even being openly exploring that.

You're waaaaaaaaaay off.

It is totally 2nd nature for us as well. There is no need for liberation or whatever you meant by it.

Women have sexual desires and carnal thoughts and hormones running through us telling us to take care of business as well.

Do some suppress ? Sure, but certainly not most.

JustErin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I've had discussion with women who I think it was more about being 'unfamiliar' or 'uncomfortable' with their own pleasure. Like I believe more men masturbate than women. It's like 2nd nature for us, but I don't think so for women. They had to have a liberation to even being openly exploring that.

You're waaaaaaaaaay off.

It is totally 2nd nature for us as well. There is no need for liberation or whatever you meant by it.

Women have sexual desires and carnal thoughts and hormones running through us telling us to take care of business as well.

Do some suppress ? Sure, but certainly not most.

I know women masturbate.
I know women have sexual desires.
I know women have carnal thoughts and hormones(I am the one who posted this article about a woman wanting to receive oral sex if she gives it)

I just think me don't have the same hangups.

http://www.womenshealthma...tion-study

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https://www.psychologytod...-sex-drive

The problem of recognizing the reality of the male sex drive was brought home to me in a rather amusing experience I had some years ago. I was writing a paper weighing the relative influence of cultural and social factors on sexual behavior, and the influence consistently turned out to be stronger on women than on men. In any scientific field, observing a significant difference raises the question of why it happens. We had to consider several possible explanations, and one was that the sex drive is milder in women than in men. Women might be more willing to adapt their sexuality to local norms and contexts and different situations, because they aren't quite so driven by strong urges and cravings as men are.

When I brought this up in the paper as one possible theory, reviewers reacted rather negatively. They thought the idea that men have a stronger sex drive than women was probably some obsolete, wrong, and possibly offensive stereotype. I wasn't permitted to make such a statement without proof, which they doubted could be found. And when I consulted the leading textbooks on sexuality, none of them said that women had a generally milder desire for sex than men. Some textbooks explicitly said that idea was wrong. One, by Janet Hyde and Richard DeLamater, openly speculated that women actually had a stronger sex drive than men, contrary to what I thought.

endymion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aren't there a lot of women who don't enjoy being eaten?

Probably about the same number as men who dislike blowjobs!

That means: none

JustErin said:

I always find it funny when a dude tries to tell a woman what "feminists" believe. Feminists believe that women should have the same equal rights and opportunity as men - and that's the bottom line. Kinda like her article. If a guy expects a woman to suck his dick he should expect to reciprocate - so don't expect it and don't get all indignant when she refuses to do it because you refuse to go down, that's all she is saying really. Did she really say anything about being hot shit?

You are 100% wrong. Don't try to explain her refusal to go down by making it about a supposed lack of reciprocation, that is not it AT ALL.

Apparently you didn't read her article I mentioned earlier, the one where she wrote this:

http://www.vice.com/read/...owjobs-323

I don't suck dick. That's the deal, plain and simple. I know this statement is sure to enrage heaps of men, and even women, who consider blowjobs a mandatory part of anyone's sexual repertoire. I totally get that. Here's the thing, though: I fucking hate it. I've never enjoyed cramming a penis in my mouth.

All I'm saying is that I despise the act of putting one in my mouth, and forcing my mouth to partake in the motions my hand or vagina could perform instead.

I currently have a man in my life who I'm not exactly dating, but who comes over about once...eat me out. The only thing I give him in return is a pat on the back for doing a good job. Some might think this arrangement is strange, but I prefer to think of it as pretty damn close to perfect. It was on our second date that I first gave him the opportunity to suck on my clitoris. After thanking him for giving me a ride home, I simply said, "Want to come up to my place and eat me out?" He gave me an enthusiastic yes, and we got to it. I sat on his face until I came, then sent him home. This has been our arrangement for a little over two months now. If you're wondering why we don't have sex, it's because I have made a promise to myself not to have sex until I'm in a relationship. While this guy is obviously very generous, the chemistry is not really there when it comes to the little things, like conversation.

Since starting things with him, I have resolved to never suck a dick again. I have also resolved to refuse getting romantically involved with any man who doesn't want to eat me out. Even if he has passwords for both Hulu Plus and HBOGo, I will still find the strength in me to call it quits if he can't put his mouth down there. Am I being selfish? Probably. But I don't care. In fact, I firmly believe this perceived selfishness is owed to me.


So Erin, after reading her own words there is no disputing that:

a) She admits she's the selfish one
b) She doesn't care that she's being selfish.
c) She hates giving head, period ... even after the guy has already done her.
d) She thinks a "perfect" relationship is being eaten weekly by a guy whom she has no feelings for, and she feels no obligation to ever return the favor.

Any unbiased person reading those paragraphs would consider her to be a selfish bitch. At the very least she's a MAJOR hypocrite.

Pokeno4Money said:

JustErin said:

I always find it funny when a dude tries to tell a woman what "feminists" believe. Feminists believe that women should have the same equal rights and opportunity as men - and that's the bottom line. Kinda like her article. If a guy expects a woman to suck his dick he should expect to reciprocate - so don't expect it and don't get all indignant when she refuses to do it because you refuse to go down, that's all she is saying really. Did she really say anything about being hot shit?

You are 100% wrong. Don't try to explain her refusal to go down by making it about a supposed lack of reciprocation, that is not it AT ALL.

Apparently you didn't read her article I mentioned earlier, the one where she wrote this:

http://www.vice.com/read/...owjobs-323

I don't suck dick. That's the deal, plain and simple. I know this statement is sure to enrage heaps of men, and even women, who consider blowjobs a mandatory part of anyone's sexual repertoire. I totally get that. Here's the thing, though: I fucking hate it. I've never enjoyed cramming a penis in my mouth.

All I'm saying is that I despise the act of putting one in my mouth, and forcing my mouth to partake in the motions my hand or vagina could perform instead.

I currently have a man in my life who I'm not exactly dating, but who comes over about once...eat me out. The only thing I give him in return is a pat on the back for doing a good job. Some might think this arrangement is strange, but I prefer to think of it as pretty damn close to perfect. It was on our second date that I first gave him the opportunity to suck on my clitoris. After thanking him for giving me a ride home, I simply said, "Want to come up to my place and eat me out?" He gave me an enthusiastic yes, and we got to it. I sat on his face until I came, then sent him home. This has been our arrangement for a little over two months now. If you're wondering why we don't have sex, it's because I have made a promise to myself not to have sex until I'm in a relationship. While this guy is obviously very generous, the chemistry is not really there when it comes to the little things, like conversation.

Since starting things with him, I have resolved to never suck a dick again. I have also resolved to refuse getting romantically involved with any man who doesn't want to eat me out. Even if he has passwords for both Hulu Plus and HBOGo, I will still find the strength in me to call it quits if he can't put his mouth down there. Am I being selfish? Probably. But I don't care. In fact, I firmly believe this perceived selfishness is owed to me.


So Erin, after reading her own words there is no disputing that:

a) She admits she's the selfish one
b) She doesn't care that she's being selfish.
c) She hates giving head, period ... even after the guy has already done her.
d) She thinks a "perfect" relationship is being eaten weekly by a guy whom she has no feelings for, and she feels no obligation to ever return the favor.

Any unbiased person reading those paragraphs would consider her to be a selfish bitch. At the very least she's a MAJOR hypocrite.

Yeah, I totally didn't read that one, so my bad.

But according to her other article she does suck dick.

Listen, I'm not saying that she is a nice person - I wouldn't want to be around a whining sour puss like that, I was just going by the OP article and I do not believe that the mandate of feminists is the attitude she has in this original article. Nor do I actually think she thinks she is hot shit - quite the opposite imo.

So yes, I do believe that she is selfish...but I still agree with what she says in that 2nd article.

She loses a bit of cred in saying she doesn't have sex even though she just sat on a dude's face until orgasm. I do like her direct approach to getting some, though.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aren't there a lot of women who don't enjoy being eaten?

I've been with more than a couple women who, when I went to reciprocate oral, wouldn't let me for whatever reason.

I went into the article expecting to be like, "Reallyyyy?" but I can't exactly hate what she's saying. if a chick gives me head I'll at least offer to get them off with my fingers or something like that if they don't want oral, and I don't think it's unreasonable for a female to expect that.

guitarslinger44 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aren't there a lot of women who don't enjoy being eaten?

I've been with more than a couple women who, when I went to reciprocate oral, wouldn't let me for whatever reason.

I went into the article expecting to be like, "Reallyyyy?" but I can't exactly hate what she's saying. if a chick gives me head I'll at least offer to get them off with my fingers or something like that if they don't want oral, and I don't think it's unreasonable for a female to expect that.

Some women are worried that it might smell down there and won't let you go down. It can get kinda nasty down there sometimes. I remember this one girl you could smell even with her jeans on. I felt sorry for her.

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I don't blame her for not liking to give blow jobs.

To all you straight guys out there who have never sucked a cock, it isn't that easy.

And it should be enough for you that she got you off, don't expect her to swallow too.

And if a girl doesn't want you to go down on her, she is probably either on the rag, or afraid of rejection.

To any guy who won't go down on his girl, I just want to say that you don't deserve a blow job or a hand job, or intercourse or anything else.

If you're squeamish, then follow Prince's example and take a bath or shower with her.

And don't be disgusting, brush your teeth first, her pussy is probably way cleaner than your mouth.

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Oral Sex: Safety, Risks, Relationships, STD Transmission - WebMD

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oral Sex: Safety, Risks, Relationships, STD Transmission - WebMD

www.webmd.com/sex.../4-things-you-didnt-know-about-oral-sex

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Researchers have found that some cancers of the oropharynx (the middle of the throat) and tonsils are probably caused by a certain type of human papillomavirus (HPV). HPV is common, but it doesn't always cause cancer. If you aren't exposed to HPV during oral sex, you're not at risk for cancer.

Can I Get Cancer From Oral Sex? - The Mount Sinai Hospital

www.mountsinai.org/...cancer/oral-cancer/.../hpv-oral-sex-cancer

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Yes, and the U.S. is seeing a sharp increase in the number of cases of oral and throat cancer among men, caused by HPV infections contracted during oral sex. Learn more about HPV at the Center for Head and Neck Cancer.

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I tried to look up both of your articles but I couldn't find either of them

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Yeah.

That's why I don't give blow jobs anymore.

That, and the fact that I am married.

I think that the guys that get throat cancer are a lot more likely to be getting it from giving blow jobs than from performing cunnilingus.

Men can have HPV on their dick and never show any sign of it, never know that they have it and yet still pass it on to their partner.

Women get annual and semi-annual pap-smears that test for any abnormalities, and when they find something it is usually caused by one strain or another of HPV.

There is a treatment for vaginal warts that is effective so women can get rid of them and thus they don't have to die of cervical cancer anymore.

And fortunately they have developed a vaccine called Gardasil, which they are making available to girls age twelve and older to protect them from the most dangerous cancer causing strains of HPV.

I think that they should give the vaccine to the boys too, even though having HPV on your dick doesn't lead to dick cancer.

And I haven't read any articles about this, but word on the street is that anal warts are increasingly common, so ass cancer is probably on the rise too.

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Guys, there is a vaccine out there that might be able to protect you from getting HPV, which reduces your risk of developing throat cancer and ass cancer.

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www.gardasil9.com

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NinaB said:

Why put all your business on the world wide web? Shit never goes away. Not even anonymous, her government name & photos. Nah, fuck that.

You win this thread, Nina!

RodeoSchro said:

NinaB said:

Why put all your business on the world wide web? Shit never goes away. Not even anonymous, her government name & photos. Nah, fuck that.

You win this thread, Nina!

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Why not?

It is not like she is admitting to a murder.

Read Lena Dunham's book, Not That Kind Of Girl; A Young Woman Tells You What She's "Learned"

It is okay for women to talk about sex.

The more women that talk about sex the less sexually repressed our society will be in the long run.

And it is not like the government will be able to use this information to extort her with.

The whole world knows.

I think she just got disgusted with selfish, entitled partners and thought that since nobody else was calling them on their shit that the job fell to her.

I don't think any less of her for admitting that she has given blow jobs when she didn't want to, or wanted cunnilingus and didn't get it.

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QueenofCardboard said: