LittleBLUECorvette said:

Lol, Bron over Wilt now.

Oh no they didn't!

Yeah, strange that LeBron is already #3 according to ESPN. I think he's knocking on the door of #5, but not quite there.

Moonbeam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Moonbeam said:

Yeah, strange that LeBron is already #3 according to ESPN. I think he's knocking on the door of #5, but not quite there.

#5 is too high also. There ia nothing I can see that would make me take LeBron over Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, Magic, Wilt let alone Kareem and MJ. Too me, those are non-debatable. Hell, it's still debatable of LeBron over Kobe, West, Oscar, Hakeem.

No debate with me.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Moonbeam said:

Moonbeam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

#5 is too high also. There ia nothing I can see that would make me take LeBron over Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, Magic, Wilt let alone Kareem and MJ. Too me, those are non-debatable. Hell, it's still debatable of LeBron over Kobe, West, Oscar, Hakeem.

I think you can make a case for LeBron over Bird, Magic, Shaq, and Duncan. Not sure I'd put him over all of those guys, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Not if one is sane............and understands the game of basketball.

Graycap23 said:

Moonbeam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said: I think you can make a case for LeBron over Bird, Magic, Shaq, and Duncan. Not sure I'd put him over all of those guys, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Not if one is sane............and understands the game of basketball.

Thank you.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Moonbeam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Moonbeam said:

I have LeBron over Bird but behind Duncan. Bird was a phenom for sure, but he wasn't that durable and had his fair share of playoff letdowns like LeBron. It's very close, but I have LeBron at 8 on my all-time list and Bird at 9.

Playoff letdowns? He'd lose in the Finals to Lakers or an all time great Sixers teams with Doc and Moses. Brons letdowns are not showing up in various games vs Dallas, giving up vs Boston in 10 and losing to a Dwight Howard led Magic team.

When they loss to the Magic with Dwight Howard the Magic were actually the

better team despite the records.

Moonbeam said:

As for Duncan vs. LeBron, their team results in the Finals mean nothing to me. Exactly no one thought Cleveland stood a chance in 2007.

True. With that said I definitely wouldn't rank him over Bird or Magic. One can make the case

that Magic could be number 2 on that list. With all due respect to Kareem, the Lakers weren't

seeing any titles without Magic. Remember the Seattle Supersonics were kings of the Western

Conference but with the stroke of the 79 draft Magic changed all that. He was the most dynamic

rookie I've ever seen come in the league and dominate. I don't think any other player in league

history could come in and accomplish what Magic did. Without Magic the Lakers would have continued to be bridesmaids to the Supersonics.

phunkdaddy said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Moonbeam said: Playoff letdowns? He'd lose in the Finals to Lakers or an all time great Sixers teams with Doc and Moses. Brons letdowns are not showing up in various games vs Dallas, giving up vs Boston in 10 and losing to a Dwight Howard led Magic team.

When they loss to the Magic with Dwight Howard the Magic were actually the

better team despite the records.

You're telling me a top 3 player of ALL-TIME at his peak can't take out a Dwight Howard led team, lol. That was his shot to face Kobe and the Lakers in the Finals and he blew it.

phunkdaddy said:

Moonbeam said:

As for Duncan vs. LeBron, their team results in the Finals mean nothing to me. Exactly no one thought Cleveland stood a chance in 2007.

True. With that said I definitely wouldn't rank him over Bird or Magic. One can make the case

that Magic could be number 2 on that list. With all due respect to Kareem, the Lakers weren't

seeing any titles without Magic. Remember the Seattle Supersonics were kings of the Western

Conference but with the stroke of the 79 draft Magic changed all that. He was the most dynamic

rookie I've ever seen come in the league and dominate. I don't think any other player in league

history could come in and accomplish what Magic did. Without Magic the Lakers would have continued to be bridesmaids to the Supersonics.

To be fair to Kareem, that team was pretty young and they were regular playoff attendents. Magic just took them to the next level. They still had young guys in Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper all coming into their own.

Wilt

Jordan

Russell

Oscar

Kareem

Magic

Bird

Hakeem

West

Duncan

That's my top 10. Shaq, Lebron, Kobe, Moses, Dr. J are in my next 10.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

True. With that said I definitely wouldn't rank him over Bird or Magic. One can make the case

that Magic could be number 2 on that list. With all due respect to Kareem, the Lakers weren't

seeing any titles without Magic. Remember the Seattle Supersonics were kings of the Western

Conference but with the stroke of the 79 draft Magic changed all that. He was the most dynamic

rookie I've ever seen come in the league and dominate. I don't think any other player in league

history could come in and accomplish what Magic did. Without Magic the Lakers would have continued to be bridesmaids to the Supersonics.

To be fair to Kareem, that team was pretty young and they were regular playoff attendents. Magic just took them to the next level. They still had young guys in Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper all coming into their own.

Kareem doesn't get his due, IMO. Look at his entire career, from high school to college to the pros. He's the greatest college baller of all time, changed the face of college basketball and won his six NBA titles before Jordan did. He had an incredible career - best player to come out of NYC.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Moonbeam said:

Moonbeam said:

uPtoWnNY said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

To be fair to Kareem, that team was pretty young and they were regular playoff attendents. Magic just took them to the next level. They still had young guys in Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper all coming into their own.

Kareem doesn't get his due, IMO. Look at his entire career, from high school to college to the pros. He's the greatest college baller of all time, changed the face of college basketball and won his six NBA titles before Jordan did. He had an incredible career - best player to come out of NYC.

yep

LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

True. With that said I definitely wouldn't rank him over Bird or Magic. One can make the case

that Magic could be number 2 on that list. With all due respect to Kareem, the Lakers weren't

seeing any titles without Magic. Remember the Seattle Supersonics were kings of the Western

Conference but with the stroke of the 79 draft Magic changed all that. He was the most dynamic

rookie I've ever seen come in the league and dominate. I don't think any other player in league

history could come in and accomplish what Magic did. Without Magic the Lakers would have continued to be bridesmaids to the Supersonics.

To be fair to Kareem, that team was pretty young and they were regular playoff attendents. Magic just took them to the next level. They still had young guys in Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper all coming into their own.

I never stated that Kareem wasn't a great player. We all know he was a great player. Like i said before they were bridesmaids to the Supersonics before Magic arrived plain and simply put. Magic elevated the whole Laker squad when he arrived. Whan he got hurt in the 89 Finals in the second game against the Pistons the Lakers knew the series was over. Also getting hurt in his second season pretty much spelled doom for the Lakers that season as far as them returning to the Finals that season.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

They have Steph Curry pretty high on this list. #23.

Curry is earning this #23 spot ESPN put him at ... meanwhile #3 LeBron ... airballing gamewiners.

Moonbeam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

They have Steph Curry pretty high on this list. #23.

30. Steve Nash
29. Chris Paul
28. John Havlicek
27. Dwyane Wade
26. Isiah Thomas
25. Scottie Pippen
24. Elgin Baylor
23. Stephen Curry
22. Kevin Durant
21. Kevin Garnett

Yeah, if Curry and Durant retired today, I don't think there's any way they deserve this high of a ranking yet.

no freakin way does Pippen belong in the top 40 let alone #25...crazy

GeorgieAto said:

Moonbeam said:

30. Steve Nash
29. Chris Paul
28. John Havlicek
27. Dwyane Wade
26. Isiah Thomas
25. Scottie Pippen
24. Elgin Baylor
23. Stephen Curry
22. Kevin Durant
21. Kevin Garnett

Yeah, if Curry and Durant retired today, I don't think there's any way they deserve this high of a ranking yet.

no freakin way does Pippen belong in the top 40 let alone #25...crazy

Your are right. He should be in the top 15.

Graycap23 said:

GeorgieAto said:

no freakin way does Pippen belong in the top 40 let alone #25...crazy

Your are right. He should be in the top 15.

Pippen can't carry a team on his own. He needs to, to be top 15.
He was only a 7 time All-Star in 15 seasons. That's less than half of his career he was considered at least top 12 in just his conference.
Hell, how many times was he just even a top 5 player for a particular season? 1994 and maybe 1996. Two top five seasons and three-four top ten seasons don’t equal a top 15 player.

I'll go from 90 to 2000, his best seasons?
1990, he damn sure wasn't top 5. Jordan, Magic, Barkley, Thomas, Karl Malone, Drexler, Ewing, Hakeem, Wilkins, Robinson, Kevin Johnson, Stockton, ect. Have your pick.

91, the same minus Wilkins who was out with knee or something can't remember.

92. Pippen was starting to make some noise but still behind Jordan, Drexler, Barkley, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Olajuwon, Mullin, Tim Hardaway and even guys like Mark Price. He might be top ten this season. Borderline.

93. He passed up Drexler (hurt) and Wilkins (back from injury.) Magic is gone. But still behind Jordan, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, ect. He's top ten for sure.

94. Pippen's best season. But still were some questions not answered. The game where he subs himself out because Phil wants to go to Kukoc. And Toni knocks the shot down, lol.
He was definitely top 5 this season with Hakeem, Robinson, Barkley and Malone.

95. Bulls took a major hit (even with Jordan back. Horace Grant is more important that people give him credit for.) Pippen is outside of the top ten. Shaq enters the top five.

96. Pippen makes his last appearance in the top 5 along with Jordan, Shaq, Malone and Hakeem. Penny Hardaway or Gary Payton can be argued for Pippen's spot here, though.

97. Pippen falls outside the top five, still top ten.

98. Pippen is outside the top ten for good. Youngsters like Grant Hill and Tim Duncan have taken over his spot at forward.

99. Lock-out season and terrible season in Houston for Pippen.

00. Good comeback with Portland. He's borderline top 15 this season.