dJJ said:

Serious said:

My own life experience: nothing better than being with somebody you love and nothing worse than not being. Whatever is sad in life when your special someone gives you a hug life ain't so sad anymore and there is a good reason to pull through. Not to mention that there are certain things in life that I completely have to go without when I am not in a relationship like having sex or having somebody to hold me in his arms when I fall asleep . But this thread is not about me and my struggles.....

I understand what you are saying. But I do try to tackle that trap.

Robin Norwood her books have opened my eyes. The relationship addiction is truly an addiction, not love.


I notice that I still have to be careful not to give somebody else the power over my own happiness.

I feel that I'm growing and growing and that I'm becoming less dependent on the opinions of other people.

Life is great and sometimes a big challenge. For everybody. And I feel very gratefull, for that I was so fortunate to be born in a rich and safe country.


And eventhough I suffer from a Dysthyme Disorder, I work hard to make myself free from meds and care. It is my own responsebility to make sure I handle life in a way that is good for me.

That empowerment is huge.

I don't want somebody else to be responsible for how I feel. Of course, I miss fysical warmth from another human being. But, I have a wonderful cat, who has one thing on his mind; cuddling me.

Good for you that you are on your way to find happiness !
I know that I am blessed to have the chance to live the life I live and I am thankful for the wonderful times I've had the chance to enjoy. I don't care much what others think about me and I have been living my life how I wanted it and not how others would have espected me to live it. I know exactly what I want in life and what makes me truly happy - and that is being with somebody I love and spend as much time as possible with that person. I have been through rough times and I know that I am strong and a fighter, but I don't want to be a strong independent person, but much rather be happy and for me it's wonderful when somebody else is making me happy and I am making that person happy and we depend on each other - that's the best thing in life for me. And I want a man who has one thing on his mind: cuddling me . And for the rest of his life and mine please .

Serious said:

Ace said:

Have you ever considered how you came to feel that way?

My own life experience: nothing better than being with somebody you love and nothing worse than not being. Whatever is sad in life when your special someone gives you a hug life ain't so sad anymore and there is a good reason to pull through. Not to mention that there are certain things in life that I completely have to go without when I am not in a relationship like having sex or having somebody to hold me in his arms when I fall asleep . But this thread is not about me and my struggles.....

Have you ever seen the movie About a Boy?

dJJ said:

Ace said:

That's a bonus.

A psychiatrist is a doctor. A psychologist's qualifications can be a lot dicier.

Frankly, I'd rather put my welfare into the hands of someone who had the intelligence and discipline to graduate medical school.

It's a personal choice, I guess.

I prefer somebody who received education about psychology for years, in stead of somebody who spend years of study into non-psych-related topics.

Well, obviously, a psychiatrist has received education about psychology for years.

In the end I think it is especially important to feel save and challenged. Just having a nice chat with a nice counsellor/psychiatris/psychologist does not help. It's the combination of feeling safe and knowing that you do get challenged enough to really work on yourself and not hide into avoidance.

Agree. Although, sometimes, a nice chat with a nice counsellor is enough to get you through for the time being. Better than nothing, right?

Your writing feels familiar to me...PM me please.

As for what you are saying...

I understand what you are saying...I too have been in your shoes. I hope you find the peace you are struggling to see right now. You are not alone.

Brighter days are just ahead and know that this too shall pass...

Ace said:

Serious said:

My own life experience: nothing better than being with somebody you love and nothing worse than not being. Whatever is sad in life when your special someone gives you a hug life ain't so sad anymore and there is a good reason to pull through. Not to mention that there are certain things in life that I completely have to go without when I am not in a relationship like having sex or having somebody to hold me in his arms when I fall asleep . But this thread is not about me and my struggles.....

Have you ever seen the movie About a Boy?

No I haven't

i know things get trying, difficult, too routined, overwhelming (via world issues), and less than wonderous. however when i start dragging and feeling hopeless i remember this (to some it might seem a bit silly), to find and focus on the gladness around me in my life.

it's called the "pollyanna principle."

(after i set it into my mindset, in a short while i come out of the land of stagnant func-ville.

>

about:

"Pollyanna principle."

the tendency for people to remember pleasant items more accurately than unpleasant ones. Research indicates that, at the subconscious level, the mind has a tendency to focus on the optimistic while, at the conscious level, it has a tendency to focus on the negative. This subconscious bias towards the positive is often described as the Pollyanna principle.

The name derives from the 1913 novel Pollyanna by Eleanor H. Porter.

.

i'm not saying i go around being ultra positive all the time. however sometimes, i have found myself feeling down in the realm of dumpsterville. .

it's then that i realize i can fall into a state of depression and hopelessness (if i let it.).

it is at those hopeless, helpless feeling times that i reach into my innerself and begin to think of all the things i have to be glad about. thus some would call it "the glad gamee."

(sounds doorkey <---- i know) however it really works. my first gladisms are usually, i'm glad i have a roof over my head, health, people love me, i love myself, i matter, basic needs are met, i.e., food, toiletries, muscles in my face that allow me to smile and etc.

look, i had to convince myself that life has valleys, plateus, mountains, peaks. most importantly (for me) to realize "nothing stays the same, everything must change." i cannot allow myself to dwell in/on the plateau or valley for any length of time.

i mean really, if the glass below was real glass of water and it is half full. eventually through the natural evaporation process the water level will go down inside the glass.

i use delligence to keep my glass half (or more) full.

life is good for me because each day i realize "if it is to be, it is up to me." ----> that being finding and holding on to "my own happiness and my own me-ness."

(i hope some of my "work for me" words have lifted you up.)

2 - 4 - 6 - 8 who do you appreciate? you, yourself and your "I-ness."

thx 4 ur courage to be so open about this issue .

4anothertime said:

I understand what you are saying...I too have been in your shoes. I hope you find the peace you are struggling to see right now. You are not alone.

Brighter days are just ahead and know that this too shall pass...

free2bfreeda said:

life is good for me because each day i realize "if it is to be, it is up to me." ----> that being finding and holding on to "my own happiness and my own me-ness."

(i hope some of my "work for me" words have lifted you up.)

2 - 4 - 6 - 8 who do you appreciate? you, yourself and your "I-ness."

thx 4 ur courage to be so open about this issue .

Serious said:

Ace said:

Have you ever seen the movie About a Boy?

No I haven't

One of the messages (which is a very Buddhist one) in it, is that you should not look outside yourself for happiness.

As Hugh Grant's character puts it, 'But don't you see? If other people can make you happy, then they can also make you unhappy. You can't make your mom happy. Not in the long run. She's got to do that for herself.'

Ace said:

Serious said:

No I haven't

One of the messages (which is a very Buddhist one) in it, is that you should not look outside yourself for happiness.

As Hugh Grant's character puts it, 'But don't you see? If other people can make you happy, then they can also make you unhappy. You can't make your mom happy. Not in the long run. She's got to do that for herself.'

The only happiness I feel is when somebody else makes me happy and I make that person happy and we are happy together. Yeah they can very much make me unhappy too . And lately I am more and more realizing I might never be happy again - oh well .

free2bfreeda said:

i know things get trying, difficult, too routined, overwhelming (via world issues), and less than wonderous. however when i start dragging and feeling hopeless i remember this (to some it might seem a bit silly), to find and focus on the gladness around me in my life.

it's called the "pollyanna principle."

(after i set it into my mindset, in a short while i come out of the land of stagnant func-ville.

>

about:

"Pollyanna principle."

the tendency for people to remember pleasant items more accurately than unpleasant ones. Research indicates that, at the subconscious level, the mind has a tendency to focus on the optimistic while, at the conscious level, it has a tendency to focus on the negative. This subconscious bias towards the positive is often described as the Pollyanna principle.

The name derives from the 1913 novel Pollyanna by Eleanor H. Porter.

.

i'm not saying i go around being ultra positive all the time. however sometimes, i have found myself feeling down in the realm of dumpsterville. .

it's then that i realize i can fall into a state of depression and hopelessness (if i let it.).

it is at those hopeless, helpless feeling times that i reach into my innerself and begin to think of all the things i have to be glad about. thus some would call it "the glad gamee."

(sounds doorkey <---- i know) however it really works. my first gladisms are usually, i'm glad i have a roof over my head, health, people love me, i love myself, i matter, basic needs are met, i.e., food, toiletries, muscles in my face that allow me to smile and etc.

look, i had to convince myself that life has valleys, plateus, mountains, peaks. most importantly (for me) to realize "nothing stays the same, everything must change." i cannot allow myself to dwell in/on the plateau or valley for any length of time.

i mean really, if the glass below was real glass of water and it is half full. eventually through the natural evaporation process the water level will go down inside the glass.

i use delligence to keep my glass half (or more) full.

life is good for me because each day i realize "if it is to be, it is up to me." ----> that being finding and holding on to "my own happiness and my own me-ness."

(i hope some of my "work for me" words have lifted you up.)

2 - 4 - 6 - 8 who do you appreciate? you, yourself and your "I-ness."

thx 4 ur courage to be so open about this issue .

This works very well for me.

I do the same, and it really helps.

In the morning I start my day with saying out loud all the things I'm thankful for.

And yes, I also start with the fact that I have a roof over my head, a shower and have food. And that my friends care for me. It makes me so much more appreciative and makes me realise that compared to 90% of the world population, I have a very good life. Realizing that every day, has made a positive impact on me.

It's not about some shallow positive self-talk. It's about sincere apreciation.

Serious said:

Ace said:

One of the messages (which is a very Buddhist one) in it, is that you should not look outside yourself for happiness.

As Hugh Grant's character puts it, 'But don't you see? If other people can make you happy, then they can also make you unhappy. You can't make your mom happy. Not in the long run. She's got to do that for herself.'

The only happiness I feel is when somebody else makes me happy and I make that person happy and we are happy together. Yeah they can very much make me unhappy too . And lately I am more and more realizing I might never be happy again - oh well .

Here you go.

Start with this book, one tip at the time.



Because she advices to deal with your addictions first, I stopped smoking and went to Meetings for relationship addicts. Or love addicts.

That really helped.

Then I realized my husband was a huge source of my unhappiness, so we divorced.

Because I wanted to dedicate my time to enhance the life of women, I rented out my house and moved to a smaller, cheaper house, to cut my costs.

I got into horrible legal fights with ex-husband and needed a long time to recover.

One thing that always gave me pleasure was ice-skating. So, now I (finally) use ice-skating as a way to strengthen my body and mind. I'm having a great time doing this.

I still have faith that I will be able to build a save place for women and initiate projects, that fortify the (legal) position of women.

Now I will focus on ice-skating, to make sure my body will recover and my mind will follow.

Somehow, I have enough confidence that I can initiate movement towards my goal.

It's not been easy, but it has been very rewarding.

Because the people I allow in my life are wonderful and true friends. Who share my values and interests.

I'm not there yet, but I'm not dreading getting up any more. I start to get a little bit of lust for life.

When I'm fully recovered and working on my goal to fortyfying women, I know that I have established that. That I stand for myself and that I can rely on myself. That I know how to make myself happy and that I can do that.

Of course, I do hope that I will meet somebody who I love and who will love me. Somebody who I can share my life with and somebody who I can fysically cherish and receive the same back from that person.

However, in order to love and receive love, I think our bond should not exist on dumping my life load on somebody else his/her shoulders.
Because I will feel dissapointed if that person does not relieve me from my own sorrows. And nobody else will be able to know my sorrows better than myself, and nobody else will know how to make myself happy, then myself.

I also like to make somebody else happy. But I learned to only give to folks who are worthy of it. To people who are the giving kind themselves. I don't give to the takers anymore.


I wish you a similar path in life. I hope you will read the book and that you will change things in your life, so you start to feel better.

Because if you think you can't be happy for the rest of your life, you must feel miserable. Please, be kind to yourself and read the pdf file.

dJJ said:

Serious said:

The only happiness I feel is when somebody else makes me happy and I make that person happy and we are happy together. Yeah they can very much make me unhappy too . And lately I am more and more realizing I might never be happy again - oh well .

Here you go.

Start with this book, one tip at the time.



Because she advices to deal with your addictions first, I stopped smoking and went to Meetings for relationship addicts. Or love addicts.

That really helped.

Then I realized my husband was a huge source of my unhappiness, so we divorced.

Because I wanted to dedicate my time to enhance the life of women, I rented out my house and moved to a smaller, cheaper house, to cut my costs.

I got into horrible legal fights with ex-husband and needed a long time to recover.

One thing that always gave me pleasure was ice-skating. So, now I (finally) use ice-skating as a way to strengthen my body and mind. I'm having a great time doing this.

I still have faith that I will be able to build a save place for women and initiate projects, that fortify the (legal) position of women.

Now I will focus on ice-skating, to make sure my body will recover and my mind will follow.

Somehow, I have enough confidence that I can initiate movement towards my goal.

It's not been easy, but it has been very rewarding.

Because the people I allow in my life are wonderful and true friends. Who share my values and interests.

I'm not there yet, but I'm not dreading getting up any more. I start to get a little bit of lust for life.

When I'm fully recovered and working on my goal to fortyfying women, I know that I have established that. That I stand for myself and that I can rely on myself. That I know how to make myself happy and that I can do that.

Of course, I do hope that I will meet somebody who I love and who will love me. Somebody who I can share my life with and somebody who I can fysically cherish and receive the same back from that person.

However, in order to love and receive love, I think our bond should not exist on dumping my life load on somebody else his/her shoulders.
Because I will feel dissapointed if that person does not relieve me from my own sorrows. And nobody else will be able to know my sorrows better than myself, and nobody else will know how to make myself happy, then myself.

I also like to make somebody else happy. But I learned to only give to folks who are worthy of it. To people who are the giving kind themselves. I don't give to the takers anymore.


I wish you a similar path in life. I hope you will read the book and that you will change things in your life, so you start to feel better.

Because if you think you can't be happy for the rest of your life, you must feel miserable. Please, be kind to yourself and read the pdf file.

Thank you for your long answer, much appreciated. But I just feel so different from the way you feel. The thing is I was always so very happy in my relationships and so happy to have the one around I love most. So for me my relationships always were the source of my happiness - not of unhappiness like in your case. Sad days were still worth living because I had somebody who loved me who told me don't worry things will get better again. All that is lacking now that simply cannot be replaced with friends, hobbies or whatever. Whenever I do something nice I wish I could tell my boyfriend like I always did - because the moment I told him was even more joyful than the moment it happend.
Relationship addicts sacrifice their own well-being for the person they love - my relationships were not like that, I had wonderful partners who gave their very best to make me happy. Just in one of my relationships I was the one who gave more, in the other 2 my partners gave more than I did. And the man who I was with for 17 years knew my sorrows better than I did and I knew his better than he knew them too.

this weekend i heard the ending to a story about a friend of mine. this friend was feeling apathetic, listless, uninterested in life, lost touch with friends and former activities, stopped going to church, and was ultimately diagnosed with depression and prescribed some heavy duty brain candy. (which to this day is an ongoing challenge in terms of weaning and quitting).

.

but the meds didn't work and you know why? my friend's symptoms, which were confused for depression, actually arose from an undiagnosed blood condition, which had caused him/her to feel like crap for a very long time. not sure how this was overlooked by the treating physician?

.

nonames - please consider having a full blood panel done to see if you are experiencing any deficiencies of any kind, as these can cause various symptoms.

XxAxX said:

this weekend i heard the ending to a story about a friend of mine. this friend was feeling apathetic, listless, uninterested in life, lost touch with friends and former activities, stopped going to church, and was ultimately diagnosed with depression and prescribed some heavy duty brain candy. (which to this day is an ongoing challenge in terms of weaning and quitting).

.

but the meds didn't work and you know why? my friend's symptoms, which were confused for depression, actually arose from an undiagnosed blood condition, which had caused him/her to feel like crap for a very long time. not sure how this was overlooked by the treating physician?

.

nonames - please consider having a full blood panel done to see if you are experiencing any deficiencies of any kind, as these can cause various symptoms.

Makes u wonder about doctors..............

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

this weekend i heard the ending to a story about a friend of mine. this friend was feeling apathetic, listless, uninterested in life, lost touch with friends and former activities, stopped going to church, and was ultimately diagnosed with depression and prescribed some heavy duty brain candy. (which to this day is an ongoing challenge in terms of weaning and quitting).

.

but the meds didn't work and you know why? my friend's symptoms, which were confused for depression, actually arose from an undiagnosed blood condition, which had caused him/her to feel like crap for a very long time. not sure how this was overlooked by the treating physician?

.

nonames - please consider having a full blood panel done to see if you are experiencing any deficiencies of any kind, as these can cause various symptoms.

Makes u wonder about doctors..............

it really does. i think what happened is my friend went to see a counselor instead of a regular physician about the symptoms and the counselor never ordered a full physical check up.

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Serious said:

dJJ said:

Here you go.

Start with this book, one tip at the time.



Because she advices to deal with your addictions first, I stopped smoking and went to Meetings for relationship addicts. Or love addicts.

That really helped.

Then I realized my husband was a huge source of my unhappiness, so we divorced.

Because I wanted to dedicate my time to enhance the life of women, I rented out my house and moved to a smaller, cheaper house, to cut my costs.

I got into horrible legal fights with ex-husband and needed a long time to recover.

One thing that always gave me pleasure was ice-skating. So, now I (finally) use ice-skating as a way to strengthen my body and mind. I'm having a great time doing this.

I still have faith that I will be able to build a save place for women and initiate projects, that fortify the (legal) position of women.

Now I will focus on ice-skating, to make sure my body will recover and my mind will follow.

Somehow, I have enough confidence that I can initiate movement towards my goal.

It's not been easy, but it has been very rewarding.

Because the people I allow in my life are wonderful and true friends. Who share my values and interests.

I'm not there yet, but I'm not dreading getting up any more. I start to get a little bit of lust for life.

When I'm fully recovered and working on my goal to fortyfying women, I know that I have established that. That I stand for myself and that I can rely on myself. That I know how to make myself happy and that I can do that.

Of course, I do hope that I will meet somebody who I love and who will love me. Somebody who I can share my life with and somebody who I can fysically cherish and receive the same back from that person.

However, in order to love and receive love, I think our bond should not exist on dumping my life load on somebody else his/her shoulders.
Because I will feel dissapointed if that person does not relieve me from my own sorrows. And nobody else will be able to know my sorrows better than myself, and nobody else will know how to make myself happy, then myself.

I also like to make somebody else happy. But I learned to only give to folks who are worthy of it. To people who are the giving kind themselves. I don't give to the takers anymore.


I wish you a similar path in life. I hope you will read the book and that you will change things in your life, so you start to feel better.

Because if you think you can't be happy for the rest of your life, you must feel miserable. Please, be kind to yourself and read the pdf file.

Thank you for your long answer, much appreciated. But I just feel so different from the way you feel. The thing is I was always so very happy in my relationships and so happy to have the one around I love most. So for me my relationships always were the source of my happiness - not of unhappiness like in your case. Sad days were still worth living because I had somebody who loved me who told me don't worry things will get better again. All that is lacking now that simply cannot be replaced with friends, hobbies or whatever. Whenever I do something nice I wish I could tell my boyfriend like I always did - because the moment I told him was even more joyful than the moment it happend.
Relationship addicts sacrifice their own well-being for the person they love - my relationships were not like that, I had wonderful partners who gave their very best to make me happy. Just in one of my relationships I was the one who gave more, in the other 2 my partners gave more than I did. And the man who I was with for 17 years knew my sorrows better than I did and I knew his better than he knew them too.

If I'm being honest with you, I feel that you romanticize romance. All days are worth living. And that has nothing to do with whether or not you have a partner. Frankly, I feel that the kind of attitude you express above is dangerous.

I say this not out of malice (I know that you're a very gentle, kind person), but out of concern. Genuinely.

Based on what I know of it, I would strongly encourage you to read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Som...ete+me+run (it's also available in Apple's iBooks store).

I would also suggest that you investigate Zen Buddhist philosophy. I believe that secular Buddhism has the best understanding of happiness I've yet encountered.

XxAxX said:

Graycap23 said:

Makes u wonder about doctors..............

it really does. i think what happened is my friend went to see a counselor instead of a regular physician about the symptoms and the counselor never ordered a full physical check up.

I think people forget that a lot of these scientific areas are only around for 100- 200 years. That is not a long time.

So, at this moment a lot of complaints of tiredness, foggy feelings and what more are easily explained as a depressive episode. Especially among female patients. Women are considered to be hysterical and complaining, it's a group that is not taken seriously in the medical world. Not by doctors, nor by researchers.

Ace said:

Serious said:

Thank you for your long answer, much appreciated. But I just feel so different from the way you feel. The thing is I was always so very happy in my relationships and so happy to have the one around I love most. So for me my relationships always were the source of my happiness - not of unhappiness like in your case. Sad days were still worth living because I had somebody who loved me who told me don't worry things will get better again. All that is lacking now that simply cannot be replaced with friends, hobbies or whatever. Whenever I do something nice I wish I could tell my boyfriend like I always did - because the moment I told him was even more joyful than the moment it happend.
Relationship addicts sacrifice their own well-being for the person they love - my relationships were not like that, I had wonderful partners who gave their very best to make me happy. Just in one of my relationships I was the one who gave more, in the other 2 my partners gave more than I did. And the man who I was with for 17 years knew my sorrows better than I did and I knew his better than he knew them too.

If I'm being honest with you, I feel that you romanticize romance. All days are worth living. And that has nothing to do with whether or not you have a partner. Frankly, I feel that the kind of attitude you express above is dangerous.

I say this not out of malice (I know that you're a very gentle, kind person), but out of concern. Genuinely.

Based on what I know of it, I would strongly encourage you to read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Som...ete+me+run (it's also available in Apple's iBooks store).

I would also suggest that you investigate Zen Buddhist philosophy. I believe that secular Buddhism has the best understanding of happiness I've yet encountered.

Thanks for your adivce and concern , maybe I will read the book...

I am not even a romantic person - my first bf who I was with for 17 years used to tell me I am the least romantic person he knows . And while I don't agree with that I too do not see myself as romantic. And I know quite well that a relationship is a lot of work and nothing you can take for granted. IMO relationships often don't last these days because people have the romantic view that a releationship has to be perfect every day and once problems and fights happen they are not willing to stick around anymore.

While I do consider Buddhism a wise way of living I don't really see it as something I can relate to much.

dJJ said:

Serious said:

Ace said:

If I'm being honest with you, I feel that you romanticize romance. All days are worth living. And that has nothing to do with whether or not you have a partner. Frankly, I feel that the kind of attitude you express above is dangerous.

I say this not out of malice (I know that you're a very gentle, kind person), but out of concern. Genuinely.

Based on what I know of it, I would strongly encourage you to read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Som...ete+me+run (it's also available in Apple's iBooks store).

I would also suggest that you investigate Zen Buddhist philosophy. I believe that secular Buddhism has the best understanding of happiness I've yet encountered.

Thanks for your adivce and concern , maybe I will read the book...

I am not even a romantic person - my first bf who I was with for 17 years used to tell me I am the least romantic person he knows . And while I don't agree with that I too do not see myself as romantic. And I know quite well that a relationship is a lot of work and nothing you can take for granted. IMO relationships often don't last these days because people have the romantic view that a releationship has to be perfect every day and once problems and fights happen they are not willing to stick around anymore.

While I do consider Buddhism a wise way of living I don't really see it as something I can relate to much.

I think that, if they gave it a chance, Zen Buddhist philosophy would make it easier for anyone to sustain happiness.

Ace said:

Serious said:

Thanks for your adivce and concern , maybe I will read the book...

I am not even a romantic person - my first bf who I was with for 17 years used to tell me I am the least romantic person he knows . And while I don't agree with that I too do not see myself as romantic. And I know quite well that a relationship is a lot of work and nothing you can take for granted. IMO relationships often don't last these days because people have the romantic view that a releationship has to be perfect every day and once problems and fights happen they are not willing to stick around anymore.

While I do consider Buddhism a wise way of living I don't really see it as something I can relate to much.

I think that, if they gave it a chance, Zen Buddhist philosophy would make it easier for anyone to sustain happiness.

Hey Ace, have you read any of Sam Harris's writings on meditation? I think you'd find a lot to agree with in many of the things he says. You'd part company with him on the use of psychedelics based on your acid comment earlier (and you'd part company with me on that one as well, truth be told). I really liked the first half of his recent book 'Waking Up' and I think it really speaks to a lot of the same kind of things you've said in this thread. I started meditating recently after going through a few odd peaks and unusually deep valleys early this year.

The first chapter is posted on YT if you want to give it a try.

here's a brief interview where he discusses the benefits of meditation.

damosuzuki said:

Ace said:

I think that, if they gave it a chance, Zen Buddhist philosophy would make it easier for anyone to sustain happiness.

Hey Ace, have you read any of Sam Harris's writings on meditation? I think you'd find a lot to agree with in many of the things he says. You'd part company with him on the use of psychedelics based on your acid comment earlier (and you'd part company with me on that one as well, truth be told). I really liked the first half of his recent book 'Waking Up' and I think it really speaks to a lot of the same kind of things you've said in this thread. I started meditating recently after going through a few odd peaks and unusually deep valleys early this year.

The first chapter is posted on YT if you want to give it a try.

here's a brief interview where he discusses the benefits of meditation.

damo!

Have not read any of Harris's stuff on meditation. Thanks for hipping me to this.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of psychedelics (or any other street drugs, for that matter).

Sorry to hear that you had to journey through some valleys. If you'd care to share, hit me up in orgNotes.