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Thread started 07/28/15 10:40pm

luv4u

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Cecil the lion reportedly killed by U.S. dentist Walter Palmer

Social media has gone to town on this dude, giving him quite the thrashing. I hope he is held accountable for what was done.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/tr...-1.3170768

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Reply #1 posted 07/28/15 11:34pm

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I heard about this a couple of hours ago, WTF? confused mad Talk about being the poster child for the "ugly American." Asshole.

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Reply #2 posted 07/28/15 11:41pm

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I don't know who Cecil the lion is but those pics of him holding his dead trophies got me sick to my stomach. Such senselessness!

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Reply #3 posted 07/29/15 12:43am

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Some people's sense of entitlement is mind blowing. I hope he goes to jail
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Reply #4 posted 07/29/15 1:28am

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Some people's sense of entitlement is mind blowing. I hope he goes to jail

Yep....for a long long time. And shoot him with a crossbow first so he can feel how much it hurts (I'm against the death penalty so maybe in his leg LOL). I still can't believe that people think it's fine to do this sort of thing. Sick, sick, sick bastard. The fact he is trying to justify it by saying it thought it was a legal lion astounds me....so that makes it okay then?


I do also wonder what happened to the lions head & skin? Did he / his companions take it as a trophy or sell it? Can't seem to find that out. Probably carpeting his mansions somewhere alonside his White Rhino head.

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Reply #5 posted 07/29/15 1:31am

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See also http://prince.org/msg/100/415585. Friends of Walter Palmer I assume.

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Reply #6 posted 07/29/15 3:20am

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Reply #7 posted 07/29/15 6:15am

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this really bothers me. what the hell is wrong with that guy? for that matter, what is wrong with all trophy hunters? what's the point? to be declared the victor in an unfair fight? wow. what an accomplishment.

sad time for 'trophy' hunters to be outlawed.

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Reply #8 posted 07/29/15 7:08am

morningsong

Oh he's in a world of hurt for killing a collared animal.
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Reply #9 posted 07/29/15 7:31am

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Somewhere Mike Vick is like: eek

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Reply #10 posted 07/29/15 9:38am

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I just heard this and I am beside myself..... mad

First they lured Cecil out of the protected area so somebody had to know that he was collared. Even if he wasn't wtf is fun about needlessly killing anything?


He shot the poor thing with an arrow and Cecil wandered around suffering for fourty hours before they tracked him down and shot him. He was then skinned and beheaded.

And now his cubs will be killed by the other males since he was the dominant male of the pride. All because of some sick SOB and his dick-waving hobby.

They located the head and confiscated it for evidence. The two guides are in custody. My only consolation is that Mr. big game hunter's life is ruined. I wish they could strip his ass butt naked and drop him in the middle of the jungle unarmed.

Sick fuck.....smdh.

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Reply #11 posted 07/29/15 11:06am

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Looks like somebody had to close up their dentistry practice. Hope the "trophy" was worth it.

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Reply #12 posted 07/29/15 11:25am

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Looks like somebody had to close up their dentistry practice. Hope the "trophy" was worth it.

I sincerley hope it bankrupts him. I hope killing Cecil and all the other animals he murdered before them haunts him everyday from now on. Karma came to get him, no sympathy.

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Reply #13 posted 07/29/15 12:45pm

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It's the 21st century...man is looking to reach the stars...

...and douchebags are still going on Safari, shooting endangered wildlife for the "thrill" of it.

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Reply #14 posted 07/29/15 2:28pm

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Now he's saying that he wasn't contacted by authorities and that he believed killing the lion was legal.

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Reply #15 posted 07/29/15 3:20pm

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ok it was a legal hunt. I get that. But you know what eles is legal? To call him out over this.

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Reply #16 posted 07/29/15 3:20pm

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Now he's saying that he wasn't contacted by authorities and that he believed killing the lion was legal.

Yeah, because everybody knows collars are hunter tracking devices, like duh. They should like have a special place for these animals that aren't meant to be hunted, I don't know maybe put big neon tiaras on their head or have a guy following them around with a sign saying "Don't shoot", sounds reasonable.


I know the people who manage these preserves are sooo sick of this mess, you work with limited resources trying to protect these animals and some "indivduals" act like it their personal candy dish of of easy pickings hunting. They're going to make an example of this guy. I hope they bury his guides while they're at it.

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Reply #17 posted 07/29/15 6:17pm

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babynoz said:

And now his cubs will be killed by the other males since he was the dominant male of the pride. All because of some sick SOB and his dick-waving hobby.



Seems there will be more than one loss sad

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Reply #18 posted 07/29/15 6:27pm

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Some people in the sun to long start acting like a child n they do evil shit then blame it on other people.Kill that mofo n cut off its head
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Reply #19 posted 07/29/15 9:29pm

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Reply #20 posted 07/30/15 5:02am

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morningsong said:

Looks like somebody had to close up their dentistry practice. Hope the "trophy" was worth it.



Yeah, I heard about that too. Karma is a bitch, and that asshole deserves it!!

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Reply #21 posted 07/30/15 5:12am

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MoBettaBliss said:

Some people's sense of entitlement is mind blowing. I hope he goes to jail



Why put a perfect example of stupidity in something as useless as a jail cell?
Sadly still nobody sees the beauty and benefits of using these "Big game" hunters (and other forms of these waste of space and underdeveloped creatures) for medical and scientific experiments for the advancement of the human being... A Mengele 2.0 is in dire need for creatures like this...

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Reply #22 posted 07/30/15 6:12am

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Cecil's killing is deplorable but people should really understand that these hunts happen over 600 times a year and 64% of these trophy hunters are American.



It is estimated that there are 25,000 lions in Africa - that means there is approximately 3000 adult "trophy" males. It is estimated that 40% reside in strictly protected areas so this leaves a “huntable” total of around 1,800 male lions. Trophy harvests have averaged 665 exports per year.

This is hardly sustainable and this should outrage everyone.

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Reply #23 posted 07/30/15 7:07am

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luv4u said:

babynoz said:

And now his cubs will be killed by the other males since he was the dominant male of the pride. All because of some sick SOB and his dick-waving hobby.



Seems there will be more than one loss sad



I'm fascinated by this part. How do the other male lions know who his cubs are? I figured that Cecil probably mated with most or all the females, and so did the other male lions. And I also figured that, as with every other animal life cycle I'm familiar with, once the make impregnates the female that's pretty much the end of his involvement.

Can the mother not defend her cubs? Are the males just too strong?

And is there an "ascension to the throne" process with lions like there is with, say, the British throne? Had Cecil lived, would his bloodline have ALWAYS been king? Were his father, grandfather, etc. kings too?

All this goes to say that the hunting of animals as incredible as these is just plain despicable. My guess is that Walter Palmer's dental career is pretty much over. And if it was his dental practice that was funding his murder sprees, then those are pretty much over, too.

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Reply #24 posted 07/30/15 7:50am

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The social behaviour of lions is hardly a compelling reason to be upset over them being continuously slaughtered for sport. The incredible 80% + decline in their population in the last 40 years is what people should be really incensed about.

But whatever, here is pride info:

The basic social unit among African lions is the pride. A lion pride consists of several related females, one male (or two brothers) unrelated to the females, and their cubs. Female lions form the core of the pride, which passes down in generation from mothers to daughters. Females usually stay with the pride they are born into for their entire lives, about fifteen years. Females do most of the hunting, working together to bring down large herbivores like wildebeest and zebras for the whole pride to eat. They typically produce cubs every few years throughout adulthood.

Male lions are driven from their birth prides as adolescents. They wander around alone until they become strong enough to take over another pride by driving out its resident male. They then have a few years to mate with the female lions and defend the pride from other males, before a younger, stronger male drives them out in turn.

The male African lion is mainly concerned with his own reproductive success, and his behavior towards others of his species reflects that. The success of his mates doesn't matter, except insofar as they bear and nurture his cubs, because he will kill their other, unrelated cubs. The success of other unrelated male lions definitely doesn't matter. Strong male lions who can take and hold a pride for a longer period of time will reproduce more than weaker males, and males who kill their predecessor's cubs will reproduce more than those who don't. In short, other members of his species are to be eliminated, not preserved, if they're in the way of his own offspring's success.

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Reply #25 posted 07/30/15 8:10am

JoeTyler

at this point, and considering that I know EVERYTHNG about the inherent EVIL of some (many, tbh) human beings, the one thing that outrageous me the most about this is the LACK of REAL security in these so-called "safety" areas for wild animals...

evil + incompetence = neverending tragedy

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Reply #26 posted 07/30/15 9:36am

RodeoSchro

JustErin said:

The social behaviour of lions is hardly a compelling reason to be upset over them being continuously slaughtered for sport. The incredible 80% + decline in their population in the last 40 years is what people should be really incensed about.

But whatever, here is pride info:

The basic social unit among African lions is the pride. A lion pride consists of several related females, one male (or two brothers) unrelated to the females, and their cubs. Female lions form the core of the pride, which passes down in generation from mothers to daughters. Females usually stay with the pride they are born into for their entire lives, about fifteen years. Females do most of the hunting, working together to bring down large herbivores like wildebeest and zebras for the whole pride to eat. They typically produce cubs every few years throughout adulthood.

Male lions are driven from their birth prides as adolescents. They wander around alone until they become strong enough to take over another pride by driving out its resident male. They then have a few years to mate with the female lions and defend the pride from other males, before a younger, stronger male drives them out in turn.

The male African lion is mainly concerned with his own reproductive success, and his behavior towards others of his species reflects that. The success of his mates doesn't matter, except insofar as they bear and nurture his cubs, because he will kill their other, unrelated cubs. The success of other unrelated male lions definitely doesn't matter. Strong male lions who can take and hold a pride for a longer period of time will reproduce more than weaker males, and males who kill their predecessor's cubs will reproduce more than those who don't. In short, other members of his species are to be eliminated, not preserved, if they're in the way of his own offspring's success.

http://www.brighthub.com/...0010.aspx



Thank you. I am not upset at all for any reason related to their social behavior. I'm upset for the same reason you and everyone else is upset.

But what I am fascinated over is the information that Cecil's killing means his cubs will die. Based on what you posted above, that may not actually be the case. If I read it right, ALL male lions will seek to kill ALL other male lions' offspring. Cecil would try to kill any other male lion's offspring, and all other male lions would seek to kill Cecil's offspring (and the offspring of all other male lions besides their own).

So the killing of Cecil doesn't mean his cubs are condemned to death. If I understand this correctly, his cubs were in peril while he was alive, just as they are in peril now that he's dead.

What I still want to know is this: Would a male lion protect his cubs from attack by another male lion?

I am certainly no expert on animals, but all I can ever recall is that the female of the species is the one that protects the young. The male's entire contact basically consists of impregnating the female, and that's it.

If lions are different in this respect, that is a compelling reason to end their hunting.

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Reply #27 posted 07/30/15 11:34am

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Only males that are trying to take over a pride kill their competitors offspring. Cecil did not go around killing any other pride's offspring. He was in an established healthy pride - that is the male's goal. Many young male lions chum together to survive but others are able to form a coaliton with a pride leader. In Cecil's case his bother lived with them, with Cecil in charge the brother did not kill any cubs.

Yes, the male does protect the pride. Cecil's offspring were not in any harm as long as he was around and healthy (which he was). His role was to procreate and fend off rivals, protecting his pride to ensure his genes carry on.

Now that Cecil is gone, his brother will take over and yes, will likely kill all of Cecil's cubs. This triggers the females to go into heat and he can now produce his own offspring. Lioness's have been known to (on rare occasions) attempt to hide their offspring to avoid their killing by the new king but chances are the young cubs will be killed.

This behavior and infanticide is not exclusive to lions.

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Reply #28 posted 07/30/15 11:42am

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Take a good look at this chump:

The Minnesota dentist who paid $55,000 to go lion hunting in Africa ends up killing the country's most famous lion, Cecil. Now he's hiding, facing death threats & had to close his business but says he did nothing illegal & that it was his guides’ fault. What do you think?!

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Reply #29 posted 07/30/15 11:48am

RodeoSchro

JustErin said:

Only males that are trying to take over a pride kill their competitors offspring. Cecil did not go around killing any other pride's offspring. He was in an established healthy pride - that is the male's goal. Many young male lions chum together to survive but others are able to form a coaliton with a pride leader. In Cecil's case his bother lived with them, with Cecil in charge the brother did not kill any cubs.

Yes, the male does protect the pride. Cecil's offspring were not in any harm as long as he was around and healthy (which he was). His role was to procreate and fend off rivals, protecting his pride to ensure his genes carry on.

Now that Cecil is gone, his brother will take over and yes, will likely kill all of Cecil's cubs. This triggers the females to go into heat and he can now produce his own offspring. Lioness's have been known to (on rare occasions) attempt to hide their offspring to avoid their killing by the new king but chances are the young cubs will be killed.

This behavior and infanticide is not exclusive to lions.



As I've said, I am no hunter and my exposure to animals is limited basically to dogs I've owned, and horses I've ridden. I've never heard of anything like this, and to me it seems like a pretty darn good reason to outlaw the killing of ANY lion for ANY reason. Especially the killing of the pride leader, because that seems to mean that additional members of a vanishing species will also be killed.

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