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Thread started 05/06/15 1:41pm

babynoz

Deflate-gate report on Patriots

The report found that two employess and likely Tom Brady had knowledge of the scandal. With no hard evidence, what if anything should happen to the team?



http://time.com/3849039/deflategate-new-england-patriots-tom-brady/

‘Deflategate’ Probe Finds Patriots Employees Likely Tampered With Balls

And Tom Brady was probably "at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities"

New England’s Super Bowl honeymoon is over.

The “Deflategate” controversy, in which the New England Patriots were accused of releasing air pressure from footballs prior to the team’s 45-7 walloping of the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC championship game on Jan.18, all but vanished following New England’s thrilling Super Bowl win over Seattle in early February. But on Wednesday, it came roaring back after the findings of an NFL-ordered investigation were released. Here’s a quick guide:

What did the ‘Deflategate’ report find?

According to the report from attorney Ted Wells, whom the NFL tasked with getting to the bottom of Deflategate, “it is more probable than not” that two New England Patriots employees, locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski, “participated in a deliberate plan to circumvent the rules by releasing air from Patriots game balls after the examination of the footballs by NFL game officials at the AFC Championship Game.”

Which other Patriots were implicated?

Star quarterback Tom Brady, of whom the report said it was “more probable than not” that he “was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.” Brady said in January that he “would never have someone do something that was outside the rules.”

And what about Bill Belichick?

The report lets the rest of the team, including Head Coach Bill Belichik, off the hook. “We do not believe that the evidence establishes that any other Patriots personnel participated in or had knowledge of the violation of the Playing Rules or the deliberate effort to circumvent the rules described above,” wrote Wells and his team. “In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Head Coach Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated.”

How did the report come to this conclusion?

It cites text messages between McNally and Jastremski — which included McNally referring to himself as the “deflator” — to support its findings. It also relies on circumstantial evidence, such as McNally “bringing the game balls into the bathroom during his walk from the Officials Locker Room to the field, locking the door and remaining inside the bathroom with the game balls for approximately one minute and forty seconds, an amount of time sufficient to deflate thirteen footballs using a needle.”

And how does it figure Brady was involved?

Texts exchanged by McNally and Jastremski that suggest Brady knew what was going on. In October 2014, for example, Jastremski wrote: “Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done … ” The “him,” the report believes, in this context refers to Brady, and “get them done” refers to the tampering. The report also cites increased text and phone communication between Brady and Jastremski — after that had not communicated electronically in six months — after the tampering allegations went public following the AFC Championship game.

What does the New England Patriots say about the report?

Owner Robert Kraft released a statement challenging its findings. “To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship game, would be a gross understatement,” Kraft said. “While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league.”

Why does it matter if the balls were deflated anyway?

Let this video explain:

What happens next?

NFL fans will want to hear more, especially from Brady. And the Pats must face this uncomfortable question: if it’s true they cheated in the championship game, did they steal this year’s Super Bowl?

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Reply #1 posted 05/06/15 1:49pm

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Loss of draft choise and a fine.

Interesting that this is released after the draft.

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Reply #2 posted 05/07/15 9:46am

CarrieCee

Not so perfect Tom. Everyone should be happy now!

I love my Patriots...I'm a New Englander tried and true....but this is embarrassing. They don't need this shit to win, and it just feeds the naysayers and haters. Can't wait till next season! lol

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Reply #3 posted 05/07/15 11:44am

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When does the Super Bowl win get vacated?

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Reply #4 posted 05/07/15 1:11pm

uPtoWnNY

Graycap23 said:

Loss of draft choise and a fine.

Interesting that this is released after the draft.

The Cheatriots strike again......Brady should be suspended for at least two games.

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Reply #5 posted 05/07/15 6:46pm

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Graycap23 said:

Loss of draft choise and a fine.

Interesting that this is released after the draft.

Can enforce it next year

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Reply #6 posted 05/07/15 8:25pm

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kpowers said:

Graycap23 said:

Loss of draft choise and a fine.

Interesting that this is released after the draft.

Can enforce it next year

Yeah like the opening regular season game whistling

No way Goodell suspends his golden boy for a Prime Time game to

start the season. lol

[Edited 5/7/15 20:26pm]

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Reply #7 posted 05/07/15 8:28pm

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phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

Can enforce it next year

Yeah like the opening regular season game whistling

No way Goodell suspends his golden boy for a Prime Time game to

start the season. lol

[Edited 5/7/15 20:26pm]

I'm saying the Patriots could lose a draft pick next year

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Reply #8 posted 05/08/15 7:03am

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kpowers said:

Graycap23 said:

Loss of draft choise and a fine.

Interesting that this is released after the draft.

Can enforce it next year

I have a feeling that the punishment will be minimum.

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Reply #9 posted 05/08/15 11:45am

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Graycap23 said:

kpowers said:

Can enforce it next year

I have a feeling that the punishment will be minimum.

nod

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Reply #10 posted 05/08/15 12:16pm

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sheesh. first graders in grown mens' bodies. so much for 'it's how you play the game that counts' smile

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Reply #11 posted 05/08/15 12:18pm

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XxAxX said:

sheesh. first graders in grown mens' bodies. so much for 'it's how you play the game that counts' smile

Troy Aikman thinks the punishment should be more severe that the Saint recieved a few years ago.

I'll bet money that it won't be.

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Reply #12 posted 05/08/15 12:22pm

XxAxX

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Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

sheesh. first graders in grown mens' bodies. so much for 'it's how you play the game that counts' smile

Troy Aikman thinks the punishment should be more severe that the Saint recieved a few years ago.

I'll bet money that it won't be.

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imo they should be stripped of their championship win.

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or, alternatively, the rules should be re-written to permit an 'anything goes' culture at the games, allowing for the most viciously ruthless, rule-breaking clever saboteurs to take the title win nod

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Reply #13 posted 05/08/15 7:21pm

datdude

throw the effin' book at dem bitches! gotta be consistent even tho goodell and kraft are butt buddies

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Reply #14 posted 05/08/15 7:41pm

babynoz

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

sheesh. first graders in grown mens' bodies. so much for 'it's how you play the game that counts' smile

Troy Aikman thinks the punishment should be more severe that the Saint recieved a few years ago.

I'll bet money that it won't be.


From the little I read of the report the language wouldn't support a severe penalty. It uses words like probably and likely.

And lets Belichick completely off the hook.

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Reply #15 posted 05/09/15 6:55am

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babynoz said:

Graycap23 said:

Troy Aikman thinks the punishment should be more severe that the Saint recieved a few years ago.

I'll bet money that it won't be.


From the little I read of the report the language wouldn't support a severe penalty. It uses words like probably and likely.

And lets Belichick completely off the hook.

Report: NFL expected to suspend Tom Brady next week

(Photo: Stew Milne, USA TODAY Sports)

It no longer appears to be a matter of if Tom Brady will be suspended, but when.

Sources close to the league offices have told Gary Myers of the New York Daily News that there is "little doubt" NFL commissioner Roger Goodell considers the quarterback's role in Deflategate a "serious violation."

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Reply #16 posted 05/09/15 7:02pm

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Sorry carrie, but i think they do need to cheat to win. This is the third time they have been caught. What have they done that we dont know about? Deflategate is more than bradys grip on the football. They also dont fumble as much as the average team (by a large margin) since every team has been able to provide their own balls. Any football fan knows a single turnover can turn a game. Also, dont forget that their 4 superbowl wins were by a total of 14 total points.
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Reply #17 posted 05/10/15 6:06am

uPtoWnNY

Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk have both stated something fishy was going on in that Super Bowl against the Cheatriots.

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Reply #18 posted 05/10/15 7:28am

babynoz

Graycap23 said:

babynoz said:


From the little I read of the report the language wouldn't support a severe penalty. It uses words like probably and likely.

And lets Belichick completely off the hook.

Report: NFL expected to suspend Tom Brady next week

(Photo: Stew Milne, USA TODAY Sports)

It no longer appears to be a matter of if Tom Brady will be suspended, but when.

Sources close to the league offices have told Gary Myers of the New York Daily News that there is "little doubt" NFL commissioner Roger Goodell considers the quarterback's role in Deflategate a "serious violation."



Gossip. It's certainly possible but I'll believe when I see it.

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Reply #19 posted 05/10/15 7:29am

babynoz

uPtoWnNY said:

Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk have both stated something fishy was going on in that Super Bowl against the Cheatriots.



No kidding. They now have a track record of questionable actions.

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Reply #20 posted 05/11/15 3:23pm

uPtoWnNY

Punishment has been handed down:

(CNN)The NFL has suspended New England Patriots' quarterback Tom Brady for four games without pay in relation to the "Deflategate" incident in which the team was found to have used deflated footballs for an advantage in the playoffs. The team has been fined $1 million and will forfeit its first-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft and fourth-round pick in the 2017 draft.

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Reply #21 posted 05/11/15 4:15pm

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Fair. Its too bad they let him play in the sb
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Reply #22 posted 05/11/15 6:54pm

babynoz

uPtoWnNY said:

Punishment has been handed down:

(CNN)The NFL has suspended New England Patriots' quarterback Tom Brady for four games without pay in relation to the "Deflategate" incident in which the team was found to have used deflated footballs for an advantage in the playoffs. The team has been fined $1 million and will forfeit its first-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft and fourth-round pick in the 2017 draft.



I just heard, I'm surprised to say the least. eek

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Reply #23 posted 05/12/15 3:22am

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The Patriots will begin their Super Bowl title defense without the services of the franchise's all-time greatest player.

The NFL announced Monday that Tom Brady has been suspended without pay for four games for violating the NFL policy on the integrity of the game. The team will also be fined $1 million and will forfeit a 2016 first-rounder and 2017 fourth-round selection in the NFL Draft. Brady's agent announced Monday that his client will appeal the suspension.

NFL suspends Tom Brady


NFL suspends Tom Brady four games

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The massive punishment comes less than a week after independent investigator Ted Wells found that it was "more probable than not" that Brady was "at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities" regarding the deflation of Patriots game balls used in the AFC Championship Game against the Colts. (You can read the full NFL...ement here.)

Patriots owner Robert Kraft came out strong in opposition to the punishment.

"Despite our conviction that there was no tampering with footballs, it was our intention to accept any discipline levied by the league," Kraft said. "Today's punishment, however, far exceeded any reasonable expectation. It was based completely on circumstantial rather than hard or conclusive evidence."

Commissioner Roger Goodell authorized the discipline that was imposed by NFL Executive Vice President Troy Vincent, who made it clear that Brady's lack of cooperation with the league's investigation was a factor in the punishment.

"The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.

Vincent cited the Patriots' prior record when determining the discipline, specifically their violations while videotaping other teams' signals in 2007. Brady wasn't the only one punished.

"Patriots owner Robert Kraft advised Commissioner Roger Goodell last week that Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th. Neither of these individuals may be reinstated without the prior approval of NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent," the league's statement reads.

The Patriots have played without Brady before, going 11-5 after Brady tore his ACL in Week 1 of the 2008 season. Last year's second-round pick Jimmy Garoppolo will be expected to get the starting nod against the Pittsburgh Steelers when the season gets underway on Sept. 10. Brady will return when the Patriots take on the Colts in Week 6 on Sunday Night Football. You can't make this stuff up.

Kraft commented on the matter last week, saying his team "had done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of the NFL rules." He indicated, however, the team would accept any punishment the league hands down. The league's statement went out of its way to say that coach Bill Belichick and the rest of the Patriots staff were unaware of any wrongdoing.

The story first became a national topic in the buildup to Super Bowl XLIX. Both Brady and Belichick vehemently denied doing anything to the footballs before the game against the Colts.

"At no time was there any intent -- whatsoever -- to try and compromise the integrity of the game," Belichick said back in January. "I believe now, 100 percent, that I have personally and (the Patriots) have absolutely followed every rule to the letter."

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Reply #24 posted 05/12/15 5:45am

CarrieCee

OOF.

I think it's a harsh punishment...especially when there was no concrete evidence and stated "more probably than not". The Patriot's are being made an example. It's too bad, and it's embarrassing.

With that being said, I still love my Patriots....but they gotta stop with this BS!!!!!

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Reply #25 posted 05/12/15 5:59am

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babynoz said:

Graycap23 said:

Report: NFL expected to suspend Tom Brady next week

(Photo: Stew Milne, USA TODAY Sports)

It no longer appears to be a matter of if Tom Brady will be suspended, but when.

Sources close to the league offices have told Gary Myers of the New York Daily News that there is "little doubt" NFL commissioner Roger Goodell considers the quarterback's role in Deflategate a "serious violation."



Gossip. It's certainly possible but I'll believe when I see it.

U believe it now?

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Reply #26 posted 05/12/15 8:32am

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CarrieCee said:

OOF.

I think it's a harsh punishment...especially when there was no concrete evidence and stated "more probably than not". The Patriot's are being made an example. It's too bad, and it's embarrassing.

With that being said, I still love my Patriots....but they gotta stop with this BS!!!!!

They were & remain among the most dominant teams in football. It's so frustrating that this needless sort of behavior tarnishes that legacy. And you're absolutely right - nothing concrete was uncovered, just a bunch of phrases along the lines of "likely" & "generally." Shady? Yes. Definitive? Not at all.

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Reply #27 posted 05/12/15 9:34am

CarrieCee

LittlePurpleYoda said:

CarrieCee said:

OOF.

I think it's a harsh punishment...especially when there was no concrete evidence and stated "more probably than not". The Patriot's are being made an example. It's too bad, and it's embarrassing.

With that being said, I still love my Patriots....but they gotta stop with this BS!!!!!

They were & remain among the most dominant teams in football. It's so frustrating that this needless sort of behavior tarnishes that legacy. And you're absolutely right - nothing concrete was uncovered, just a bunch of phrases along the lines of "likely" & "generally." Shady? Yes. Definitive? Not at all.

Tom will appeal the suspension but I wonder how far he'll go. There's probably a lot more that he doesn't want shown to the public.

Anyone know the legitmacy of the below link?

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

[Edited 5/12/15 9:34am]

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Reply #28 posted 05/12/15 11:24am

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CarrieCee said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

They were & remain among the most dominant teams in football. It's so frustrating that this needless sort of behavior tarnishes that legacy. And you're absolutely right - nothing concrete was uncovered, just a bunch of phrases along the lines of "likely" & "generally." Shady? Yes. Definitive? Not at all.

Tom will appeal the suspension but I wonder how far he'll go. There's probably a lot more that he doesn't want shown to the public.

Anyone know the legitmacy of the below link?

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

[Edited 5/12/15 9:34am]



He'll probably get it reduced to two games.

From what I've heard, what got the Patriots in this mess was their non-cooperation with the investigation. That's why they got hammered.

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Reply #29 posted 05/12/15 12:58pm

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CarrieCee said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

They were & remain among the most dominant teams in football. It's so frustrating that this needless sort of behavior tarnishes that legacy. And you're absolutely right - nothing concrete was uncovered, just a bunch of phrases along the lines of "likely" & "generally." Shady? Yes. Definitive? Not at all.

Tom will appeal the suspension but I wonder how far he'll go. There's probably a lot more that he doesn't want shown to the public.

Anyone know the legitmacy of the below link?

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

[Edited 5/12/15 9:34am]

I know the Bills have often been called out for their use of PEDs. The other infractions could be easily verified on a team by team basis. The Pats just get so much heat because they're as good as they are & everyone wants to see them taken down a peg. Denying any wrongdoing doesn't help anything, least of all public perception, which plays a huge part in all of this.

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