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I'm having trouble standing up for myself. I find it hard and scary but I'm tired of being walked over. Help. I'm a 30 yr old guy, who happens to be a victim. I'm just a guy whos having a lot of trouble standing his ground. Most of the time, people are nice to me and I very solemn go through any confortation. But every once in a while, there's always somebody who's doing me wrong and I find it hard to stand up for myself, fearing what that person will do or say to me if I did or said something back. Some people had even threaten me to speak my mind "He bet not say nothing". That pisses me off.
I got picked on at every job for being "timid". I need to know an easier way to feel confident and not let people dog me all the time. Please help. | |
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Have you ever tried boxing or martial arts/karate?
If you felt more confident in physical self defense then maybe you would be less fearful of standing up for yourself in verbal confrontations/disagreements. It seems you fear things ending up with you being physically attacked & you have been attacked in the past. I was bullied by an older & stronger boy when I was around 8/9...it got pretty violent, my step father then taught me the basics of karate & self defense... to cut a long story short it helped immensely. Between the ages of 11-16 I had to defend myself in a number of fights with individuals in the rough school I attended. I fought back each time & fared well but when I was 15 a gang of them jumped me in a park... it wasn't pretty...it changed me & taught me that the physical pain/bruises etc are nothing next to the humiliation & psychological damage.... in other words if it comes down to it I'd rather fight to the death than be humiliated like that again. Seriously... consider karate & start trying to stand up for yourself more, bit by bit, day by day. Also, stop telling people/showing people your weaknesses, they will see you as easy pickings. If you label yourself as a "victim" & "timid" & that is the energy you send out you will attract the very sort of attention you don't want. Throw those words away. Watch how u carry yourself, shoulders back, chin up, look people in the eye, firm handshake, put some volume & bass in your voice etc. Refrain from moaning, seeking pity etc. I don't want to be mean but you sound a lot younger than your chronological age. Is there some mature male you may know who can mentor /counsel you in some way? [Edited 4/13/15 17:07pm] "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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"Is there some mature male you may know who can mentor/counsel you in some way?"
"Refrain from moaning, seeking pity etc."
THIS!! | |
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Go to God. Only He has the answers you seek. When people see and know you are a man of God, they will respect you.
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Forget the "god' stuff, do what NinaB said. Work out, take martial arts and get a serious attitude adjustment. Turn youself into a lean, mean fighting machine. Don't be afraid to make a mfer bleed if you have to. It's a cold, cruel world and folks WILL take advantage of you if they perceive you to be "soft".
I'm quiet, introverted and avoid confrontation as much as possible, but if some fool crosses the line and touches me, it's all over, man or woman. I'm @60lbs lighter than you, but it's not about size, it's about heart.
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I think this is excellent advice. I was very un-confident with women all through high school and self-labelled myself as "undateable". Even on the rare occasion that someone expressed interest, I was so insecure I would end up acting the fool and skeeving them out. But finally I managed to see myself as someone women might be interested in, and carrying myself that way. Guess what, it kind of worked. The whole world shifted. | |
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Less be clear, professional relationships vs family / personal relationships.
The former...
1. Get out a some paper and count down to the last penny, what it takes for you to, pay rent / utilites, car payment, credit card, insurance(s), food, net... whatever. Determine the bills you can payoff and the things you can live without.. for a short time or have a work around to meet your needs.
2. Read you company guidlines on conduct and performance. Make sure you can say you know your job backwards and forwards.... make sure you follow your companies guidlines to the tee. You know the drill
3. Spruce up the resume'... and start looking for another job that hopefully pays you nearly the same as the one you may have quit or get fired from.
4. Talk with your family - parents / grandparents / siblings. Tell them everything that's going on this job. Ask them push comes to shove can you count on them for support if you need to bounce or get bounced. My parents told use to never allow anyone to ride our ass on a job. "Let them know, you have a home to go to... if it comes to that." My mother always said, make sure you are doing all you are suppose to be doing.
The plant operator at your day job...
Pick a time when he's off to himself... nobody should be around to hear anything you've said. Tell me, " I except to be treated with same respect, I show you. I noticed I'm the only one who's called out on the plant floor; I'm tired of it. The next time you pull that stun,t I'm going to kick yo' ass." Short simple and to the point. Look him dead in the eye. If he says you threatened him, lie and say you didn't. That's right, I said deny that you said anything such as... its his word against yours. If he test you on the plant floor scream back right back at him. Rule of thumb, if he doesn't cuss, neither do you. But if he cusses you on the floor you give him a good as gets. If you are in Union there's some recourse for being dismissed for insubordination. If the company you work for has a human relation dept. you need to speak with them also.
Learn how to say no... folks who care or love you will be shocked but they'll get over it. Make sure you relationships are balanced... they should be based on reciprocity. If you think you are being used, dismiss those people from your life. For those you love and you want a loving and equal relationship, write them a letter and tell them how you feel. When you see them face to face, they know how you feel and you can then go from there...
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SPYZFAN1 said: "Is there some mature male you may know who can mentor/counsel you in some way?"
"Refrain from moaning, seeking pity etc."
THIS!! I'm having second thoughts about using the word "pity" ...maybe "sympathy" would have been kinder. My intention was not to be cruel but to encourage more self awareness of how the things we say & how we think/act is a factor in how people see/treat us. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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uPtoWnNY said: Forget the "god' stuff, do what NinaB said. Work out, take martial arts and get a serious attitude adjustment. Turn youself into a lean, mean fighting machine. Don't be afraid to make a mfer bleed if you have to. It's a cold, cruel world and folks WILL take advantage of you if they perceive you to be "soft".
I'm quiet, introverted and avoid confrontation as much as possible, but if some fool crosses the line and touches me, it's all over, man or woman. I'm @60lbs lighter than you, but it's not about size, it's about heart.
Thanks & thanks for sharing. I agree with you, it is about heart. I was a very sensitive kid, my Mum had to build up my confidence. I've never liked violence, I would shake inside when I had to fight, people thought (/think) I was brave, strong, outspoken, confident etc but I always had anxiety & stuff like that going on.... but there's some rough people out there... some lovely ones too but def some predator's...What's the choice? Be stepped on or stand up for yourself (even while you're sometimes scared). Building up some righteous indignation goes a long way too, we're all earthlings, no one is above or below anyone else, my Mother didn't carry me and raise me for some Joe blow to come along & think he/she can shit on me. Fuck that! [Edited 4/15/15 5:48am] "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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bobzilla77 said:
I think this is excellent advice. I was very un-confident with women all through high school and self-labelled myself as "undateable". Even on the rare occasion that someone expressed interest, I was so insecure I would end up acting the fool and skeeving them out. But finally I managed to see myself as someone women might be interested in, and carrying myself that way. Guess what, it kind of worked. The whole world shifted. Thank you & thanks for sharing that, I love a story with a happy ending good for you! That is a testament to the power of the mind/thought & that everything starts from within. The mind can be negatively programmed... but can also be deprogrammed & reprogrammed, Carl Jung speaks of the "inner predator" ...you gotta fight hard when that voice is running things...gotta police your thoughts & use affirmations/visualizations etc. [Edited 4/15/15 5:52am] [Edited 4/15/15 5:55am] [Edited 4/15/15 6:59am] "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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bigboy u out there? I wanted to add that the reason I recommended karate was not just for the self defense side of it but also because it is very calming, it grounds & centers, all of the elements will raise your confidence. The other thing I wanted to add was you must look within & find where are you getting in your own way & what are you thinking/saying/doing/expecting/projecting that results in these things repeating in your life. Everything can't always be everyone else's fault. Remember in another thread I said to you that your mental/emotional equilibrium can't be at the mercy of every other mf on this earth. You have to work at thickening your skin, not giving your power away like that. Most of the time what people say/do is more about them than you, let the petty stuff bounce off. Choose your battles wisely, don't want to be wrong & strong. Lastly, seek out someone sensible, mature & honest to talk to about all this. Good luck. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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It appears bigboy is no longer an Orger. | |
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RodeoSchro said: It appears bigboy is no longer an Orger. Do you know why? "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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...I can imagine tho that one too many people took the piss outta him (I'm not referring to this thread).
I thought it took guts to say what he did in this thread, he was asking for help & every time I looked at his thread I only saw one response, yours. 100 men commit suicide in the UK a week, it's no joke. The fact he had to reach out on here & the way he came across as a young boy at times made me think maybe he had no one to turn to & no one had really put the time in in his past. [Edited 4/15/15 8:36am] "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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I learned the same life lessons you did, my dear. I grew up in the South Bronx....nuff said. | |
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was there something wrong with him? | |
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uPtoWnNY said:
I learned the same life lessons you did, my dear. I grew up in the South Bronx....nuff said. I hear you, I grew up in north London... saying that don't quite have the same impact somehow! "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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Iis there something wrong with me be honest | |
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