SquirrelMeat said:

I love facebook. It helps keeping in regular contact with old friends and distant family.

I'm fully aware of the data implications (it part of my job), but I'm also careful what I post and what I share.

Sure its an advertising vehicle, but I block them all. It's naive to think that Facebook is any better or worse if someone wants to find out about you. Email, online banking, electoral registers, company databases. Its all available if you know where to find it.

Generally, you either have to be online or offline.

I could find out far more about you even without Facebook that you dreamed possible.

You're completely missing the point; Facebook is gathering and selling your habits and personal imformation to those companies. At best, they're giving it to them freely. And while what you say is partially true, it's not easy, and it's not true for everyone. I can put my real name in any search engine and find nothing. You can do address searches trying to find my name and you'll get nothing. You can reverse look up my phone numbers and you will find nothing connected to my real name or addresses. I'd be interested in knowing how you believe you can find out anything about someone via online banking as that is not public information. Electoral registers, sure, if you know what you're looking for and how to use them. However, I've been registered to vote since I was 18 and have never missed an election. You will not find anything about me in that regard unless you are searching for my name specifically within those data sets, and who is doing that? It is NOT hard to remain private, even anonymous, if that's what you choose to do. The point is that Facebook has access to information about more than 1/7 of the world's population and that they are using for financial gain and they aren't keeping it private.

Not to mention the fact that EVERYONE who says they use it to keep in touch is outing themselves as lazy. There are OTHER WAYS to keep in touch with people. Getting you to believe otherwise is the to top of the Facebook scam ladder.

Cerebus said:

Anybody who hasn't seen the Citizen Four documentary should do so immediately. It's available On Demand on HBO right now. And that's just a small tip of the iceberg. Our civil liberties are done and gone and they aren't coming back. The only choice you have in the matter is your occasional power to choose who makes money on your back. Facebook has never been and will never be a part of my life for that very reason. How is the creator of Facebook worth billions or dollars? Wake up people.

Thank you. I haven't seen it yet.

RodeoSchro said:

babynoz said:

Who is "you guys"?

Number one, I said what I had to say directly to you and was done with it so just because somebody happens to quote me, do not continue to insert me into your back and forth.

Secondly, part of the problem is when you bring your baggage from other threads all over the forum by saying, you already "debunked" someone's comments on some other thread way back when. That was the only thing I commented on, so don't try to invent things I never said.

Perhaps you should take notice of the fact that no atheist has ever, not even once followed you around from thread to thread, bringing up past discussions just to ridicule you for your beliefs even though they might feel that your religion is every bit as silly as you seem to think so called conspiracy theories are.

The difference is they don't follow you around or bring baggage from other threads to clown you. Surely a Christian can be just as respectful as a non believer???

"You guys" is XxAxX, Graycap and TonyVanDam - at least, on this thread. You are correct - you had the decency to actually address me directly and I appreciate it. XxAxX also addressed me directly in other comments (although not the one I had quoted) so the "You guys" can be narrowed down to Graycap and Tony, for the most part.

I get where you're coming from but this isn't about faith. It's about facts. How many of Graycap's threads have been proven bogus? Countless numbers, and you can't really disagree with that. Sure, not everything he posts is non-fact-based and if you ever bother to check, you'll see that I post on less than half the threads he starts.

If he or Tony or whomever re-visits a topic that's already been discussed, I or anyone else can certainly respond. In other words, every time Tony or Graycap or whomever wants to assert that the Rothschilds control almost all the world's central banks, I'm going to point out that's wrong and not supported by any facts.

In other words, Graycap/Tony/etc don't get to repeat all their claims and be exempt from responses.

you are a stalker, harasser and a bully. you do not particpate in discussions, you only ever try to take out the people posting on threads you disagree with. your personal attacks are nothing mroe than small minded attempts to censor things you disagree with. please get over yourself.

Cerebus said:

Anybody who hasn't seen the Citizen Four documentary should do so immediately. It's available On Demand on HBO right now. And that's just a small tip of the iceberg. Our civil liberties are done and gone and they aren't coming back. The only choice you have in the matter is your occasional power to choose who makes money on your back. Facebook has never been and will never be a part of my life for that very reason. How is the creator of Facebook worth billions or dollars? Wake up people.

thanks for the tip, going to watch now.....

Cerebus said:

Anybody who hasn't seen the Citizen Four documentary should do so immediately. It's available On Demand on HBO right now. And that's just a small tip of the iceberg. Our civil liberties are done and gone and they aren't coming back. The only choice you have in the matter is your occasional power to choose who makes money on your back. Facebook has never been and will never be a part of my life for that very reason. How is the creator of Facebook worth billions or dollars? Wake up people.

I can't stand it when someone says "Wake up, people!". Really? Like who the hell are YOU?

dannyd5050 said:

Cerebus said:

Anybody who hasn't seen the Citizen Four documentary should do so immediately. It's available On Demand on HBO right now. And that's just a small tip of the iceberg. Our civil liberties are done and gone and they aren't coming back. The only choice you have in the matter is your occasional power to choose who makes money on your back. Facebook has never been and will never be a part of my life for that very reason. How is the creator of Facebook worth billions or dollars? Wake up people.

I can't stand it when someone says "Wake up, people!". Really? Like who the hell are YOU?

Who the hell are you. I'm the mother fucker that said "Wake up, people!", because most people are walking through life asleep to pretty much everything that is being disussed in this thread. Don't like it? Don't care. The truth hurts.

I don't know what other personal nonsense is going on in this thread. It seemed like a pretty good conversation until, evidently, some past drama between some orgers was brought into it. I have nothing to say about that anymore. It's the internet and I'm too old to hold on to some worthless grudges over some pointless argument with people I don't even know in the real world. Besideds, I like most of y'all.

And for the record, "Wake up, people!" isn't personal unless you take it that way. Like, maybe you're the person who needs to do some waking up.

And really, lets keep this focused on people watching Citizen Four, because that's really exciting to think about. Although it will probably get this thread moved to a forum that will cause me to stop participating.

Big brother is real, y'all, in more ways than most people can possibly imagine. I mean, you have to bother even thinking about it before you could imagine all the ways you're being watched, monitored and otherwise controlled.

babynoz said:

RenHoek said:

HI!!

I'm a Mod and this thread has come under my scrutiny due to several reports of...

I'll be checking in regularly to make sure you kids are playing nice in the sandbox...

So far, I don't see anything that sets of my...

(Also, IMHO, the CIA has a) no jurisdiction over FaceButt nonsense and b) if they give a shit about your cat/dog/food posts then they really are wasting taxpayer money. Stop playing into the hands of the Tinfoil Hat Brigade!)

Carry on, weirdos!!!

I would suggest that the name calling probably doesn't help, but whatever.

I don't think that the OP/thread topic is weird in any way.

I believe the amount of collective effort you are all putting in to making your cases clear to a bunch Prince fans on a purple and lavender forum board that has nothing to do with Poilitics and Religion is WEIRD.

If you feel that this constitutes "name calling" then you really need a thicker skin. This is GD fer chrissakes!

I respect that you may not feel the same way and even we Mods are allowed to have our own opinions.

RenHoek said:

babynoz said:

I would suggest that the name calling probably doesn't help, but whatever.

I don't think that the OP/thread topic is weird in any way.

I believe the amount of collective effort you are all putting in to making your cases clear to a bunch Prince fans on a purple and lavender forum board that has nothing to do with Poilitics and Religion is WEIRD.

If you feel that this constitutes "name calling" then you really need a thicker skin. This is GD fer chrissakes!

I respect that you may not feel the same way and even we Mods are allowed to have our own opinions.

Pfft! Get out of here with that nonsense. This doesn't even approach being a weird thread OR having what would constitute a "weird" amount of "collective effort" put into it when taking into acount the the long strange history of things discussed at the org, and you know this! Further, you didn't call the topic or the effort being put into it weird, you called us weirdos, which is not at all the same thing.

Cerebus said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I love facebook. It helps keeping in regular contact with old friends and distant family.

I'm fully aware of the data implications (it part of my job), but I'm also careful what I post and what I share.

Sure its an advertising vehicle, but I block them all. It's naive to think that Facebook is any better or worse if someone wants to find out about you. Email, online banking, electoral registers, company databases. Its all available if you know where to find it.

Generally, you either have to be online or offline.

I could find out far more about you even without Facebook that you dreamed possible.

You're completely missing the point; Facebook is gathering and selling your habits and personal imformation to those companies. At best, they're giving it to them freely. And while what you say is partially true, it's not easy, and it's not true for everyone. I can put my real name in any search engine and find nothing. You can do address searches trying to find my name and you'll get nothing. You can reverse look up my phone numbers and you will find nothing connected to my real name or addresses. I'd be interested in knowing how you believe you can find out anything about someone via online banking as that is not public information. Electoral registers, sure, if you know what you're looking for and how to use them. However, I've been registered to vote since I was 18 and have never missed an election. You will not find anything about me in that regard unless you are searching for my name specifically within those data sets, and who is doing that? It is NOT hard to remain private, even anonymous, if that's what you choose to do. The point is that Facebook has access to information about more than 1/7 of the world's population and that they are using for financial gain and they aren't keeping it private.

Correct on both counts.

RenHoek said:

babynoz said:

I would suggest that the name calling probably doesn't help, but whatever.

I don't think that the OP/thread topic is weird in any way.

I believe the amount of collective effort you are all putting in to making your cases clear to a bunch Prince fans on a purple and lavender forum board that has nothing to do with Poilitics and Religion is WEIRD.

If you feel that this constitutes "name calling" then you really need a thicker skin. This is GD fer chrissakes!

I respect that you may not feel the same way and even we Mods are allowed to have our own opinions.

perhaps you could assign the moderation of this thread to someone capable of impartiality? thanks

[Edited 3/5/15 4:56am]

morningsong said:

I'd say it may be easier, but speaking as someone who has never had a MySpace page let alone posted to a Facebook account, I can easily Google basic information about myself, including previous addresses as well as current. My tablet tells me every morning how much time it'll take me to get to work, information I have never provided nor asked for (how in the heck does this thing know where I work?). Im sure every time I search something there's something somewhere that keeps track or else the exact same ads wouldn't pop up every time I go to various sites, ad of items I was searching for. I highly doubt the government would have any problem tracking anything about my person, I pay taxes, I vote, I drive. Granted I get the evils of Facebook, I'm just skeptical that with today's tech that simply giving it up offers some kind of real protection or just simply slows the inevitable?

you're right. it's logical to assume that nothing on the internets is private. meta-data collection and sale is a huge business.

a lot of large corporations are awakening to the dangers of conducting business through e-mails across servers that they do not control; some larger firms have their own internet to reduce the risk of having data pass through multiple servers.

really, there is no real privacy on the internets, without a sophisticated set of routers, re-routers and software to protect your identity.

it kind of makes a difference which browser you use, Google is the very worst when it comes to their 'privacy policy'. mozilla firefox is a little better.

also, if you clear your browser history of all cookies and tweak your settings, you will see a reduction in the number of personalized ads that pop up onscreen when you're browsing.

the issue with facejoke is that they will not even respect the basics, and have been targeted by the FTC for violating their very own 'privacy policy'. facepunk promises a lot more than they have any intention of delivering

*dang pre-coffee speeling erros

[Edited 3/5/15 5:07am]

XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

"You guys" is XxAxX, Graycap and TonyVanDam - at least, on this thread. You are correct - you had the decency to actually address me directly and I appreciate it. XxAxX also addressed me directly in other comments (although not the one I had quoted) so the "You guys" can be narrowed down to Graycap and Tony, for the most part.

I get where you're coming from but this isn't about faith. It's about facts. How many of Graycap's threads have been proven bogus? Countless numbers, and you can't really disagree with that. Sure, not everything he posts is non-fact-based and if you ever bother to check, you'll see that I post on less than half the threads he starts.

If he or Tony or whomever re-visits a topic that's already been discussed, I or anyone else can certainly respond. In other words, every time Tony or Graycap or whomever wants to assert that the Rothschilds control almost all the world's central banks, I'm going to point out that's wrong and not supported by any facts.

In other words, Graycap/Tony/etc don't get to repeat all their claims and be exempt from responses.

you are a stalker, harasser and a bully. you do not particpate in discussions, you only ever try to take out the people posting on threads you disagree with. your personal attacks are nothing mroe than small minded attempts to censor things you disagree with. please get over yourself.

I'm happy to focus solely on your comments, and have been doing so the last couple days. So, again - Who are the "others" to which you were referring? In what way would this person or persons be "vested" in "preventing open discussions"? And exactly how can anyone prevent a discussion?

Wow, things got crazy here.

Suffice to share I share the general opinion of a few folks who have already posted that our personal data is being mined in all kinds of ways everywhere and I see the current benefits of participating in facebook to outweigh the risks.

Everything in life is really a benefit/risk analysis.

CarrieMpls said:

Wow, things got crazy here.

Suffice to share I share the general opinion of a few folks who have already posted that our personal data is being mined in all kinds of ways everywhere and I see the current benefits of participating in facebook to outweigh the risks.

Everything in life is really a benefit/risk analysis.

^^^^^And that folks is how we are going o get a CarrieMpls porn.

never mind! all is forgiven! everything will be allll right!

Facebook Is Making New Privacy Changes In 2015

Facebook Is Making New Privacy Changes In 2015

Facebook announced it will update its terms of service as of Jan. 1, 2015. Facebook also is updating its cookies policy (new policy vs current policy); updating its policies to explain how it gets location information on users. The update features a new ‘Privacy Basics’ page that will provide information on how to control information. It will also give users extra powers to opt out of advertising and to understand how Facebook uses data collected on users

The site said it was also testing out a ‘Buy’ button that allows users to purchase things without leaving Facebook. The changes will be put into place on January 1, 2015. Facebook said that it welcomed feedback on the new policies.

Facebook announced it will update its terms of service as of Jan. 1, 2015. Facebook also is updating its cookies policy (new policy vs current policy); updating its policies to explain how it gets location information on users. The update features a new ‘Privacy Basics’ page that will provide information on how to control information. It will also give users extra powers to opt out of advertising and to understand how Facebook uses data collected on users

The site said it was also testing out a ‘Buy’ button that allows users to purchase things without leaving Facebook. The changes will be put into place on January 1, 2015. Facebook said that it welcomed feedback on the new policies.

http://www.latesthackingnews.com/2014/12/02/facebook-is-making-new-privacy-changes-in-2015/#

XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:

RenHoek said:

I believe the amount of collective effort you are all putting in to making your cases clear to a bunch Prince fans on a purple and lavender forum board that has nothing to do with Poilitics and Religion is WEIRD.

If you feel that this constitutes "name calling" then you really need a thicker skin. This is GD fer chrissakes!

I respect that you may not feel the same way and even we Mods are allowed to have our own opinions.

perhaps you could assign the moderation of this thread to someone capable of impartiality? thanks

[Edited 3/5/15 4:56am]

I'm plenty impartial because this is all meaningless babble, it's General Discussion. So far no one has broken ANY of the rules so there's no there, there...

We've weathered the Anal Douche thread, Hairy Bear photoshops and so much more and we're going to get butthurt over conspiracy theory threads??



Give me a break...

CarrieMpls said:

Wow, things got crazy here.

Suffice to share I share the general opinion of a few folks who have already posted that our personal data is being mined in all kinds of ways everywhere and I see the current benefits of participating in facebook to outweigh the risks.

Everything in life is really a benefit/risk analysis.

If your going to continue to use your FB account, the very least you can do is take down and delete all of the pictures of your relatives (especially your children!), friends, and associates.

It's one thing if you choose to put your own privacy at risk. But do you think it's fair on risking the privacy of the people close to you as well?

Think about it.

[Edited 3/6/15 5:16am]

TonyVanDam said:

CarrieMpls said:

Wow, things got crazy here.

Suffice to share I share the general opinion of a few folks who have already posted that our personal data is being mined in all kinds of ways everywhere and I see the current benefits of participating in facebook to outweigh the risks.

Everything in life is really a benefit/risk analysis.

If your going to continue to use your FB account, the very least you can do is take down and delete all of the pictures of your relatives (especially your children!), friends, and associates.

It's one thing if you choose to put your own privacy at risk. But do you think it's fair on risk the privacy of the people close to you as well?

Think about it.

If I had pictures of you there and you asked me to take them down I would. I'd take down anyone's pics who asked. I don't have children, so that's not a concern.

The thing is, most folks want to share their pictures and see the pics taken of them. I do not post pictures that depict anyone in a less than flattering light. I hate when folks post unflattering pics of me, so I can only do the same favor for my friends and loved ones.

I'm not sure what harm you think will come by sharing innocent pictures of people. What can be known, other than my friends can identify other people in my pictures. And everyone can set their own settings on whether they are allowed to be tagged/identified in pics anyway. There's a lot of mutual respect that goes on between me and my friends and family.

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

you're right. it's logical to assume that nothing on the internets is private. meta-data collection and sale is a huge business.

a lot of large corporations are awakening to the dangers of conducting business through e-mails across servers that they do not control; some larger firms have their own internet to reduce the risk of having data pass through multiple servers.

really, there is no real privacy on the internets, without a sophisticated set of routers, re-routers and software to protect your identity.

it kind of makes a difference which browser you use, Google is the very worst when it comes to their 'privacy policy'. mozilla firefox is a little better.

also, if you clear your browser history of all cookies and tweak your settings, you will see a reduction in the number of personalized ads that pop up onscreen when you're browsing.

the issue with facejoke is that they will not even respect the basics, and have been targeted by the FTC for violating their very own 'privacy policy'. facepunk promises a lot more than they have any intention of delivering

*dang pre-coffee speeling erros

[Edited 3/5/15 5:07am]

Seem like good old fashioned ways stay necessary. A good regular "house" cleaning eliminates a lot of problems. *grumble, grumble* Well if Facebook isn't staying in the perimeters of they're own agreement just to make a profit then I can understand the frustration. It had been a while since I've done this, the last time i checked there were a count of almost 600 satellites orbiting Earth, now there's 1071, half of which are low orbit, supposedly used for global communication, I'm guessing like Facebook. Don't know what the other half do, but the concept of being incognito is dwindling rapidly and this mess started decades ago. The infamous "they" are experts by now. I'm guessing Facebook just makes it easier for the random frootloops.

i know we live in a surveillance age; my cousin who works for nasa tells me ther are hundreds of thousand of satellites orbiting earth. in my world, courtesy of target corporation (who donated cameras to the police in minneapolis) not a block of downtown minneapolis is unobserved and unrecorded. one good thing is that the ACLU did manage to fight the traffic light cameras in minneapolis, for now.

we are also living in an age when drone technology is coming of age - another issue. there have been a few privacy lawsuits in that regard as well.

i suppose since i work in the legal profession i have a keener awareness of potential for abuse, we handle lawsuits addressing the more severe aspects of privacy violations.

it is a matter of individual preference, and imo, it should be possible for those who are aware of the danger to be able to protect themselves. as it stands, facebook does not allow that

[Edited 3/6/15 5:00am]

RenHoek said:

XxAxX said:

perhaps you could assign the moderation of this thread to someone capable of impartiality? thanks

[Edited 3/5/15 4:56am]

I'm plenty impartial because this is all meaningless babble, it's General Discussion. So far no one has broken ANY of the rules so there's no there, there...

We've weathered the Anal Douche thread, Hairy Bear photoshops and so much more and we're going to get butthurt over conspiracy theory threads??



Give me a break...

edited for bitchiness

i strongly disagree. but, i appreciate you have a hard job here. thank you for taing the time to be a moderator at all.

[Edited 3/6/15 15:58pm]

i'm sorry RenHoek. you work hard here, for no pay and then folks like me get all antsy. i strongly disagree with you on this subject but i am truly sorry for my disrespect.

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

XxAxX said: Seem like good old fashioned ways stay necessary. A good regular "house" cleaning eliminates a lot of problems. *grumble, grumble* Well if Facebook isn't staying in the perimeters of they're own agreement just to make a profit then I can understand the frustration. It had been a while since I've done this, the last time i checked there were a count of almost 600 satellites orbiting Earth, now there's 1071, half of which are low orbit, supposedly used for global communication, I'm guessing like Facebook. Don't know what the other half do, but the concept of being incognito is dwindling rapidly and this mess started decades ago. The infamous "they" are experts by now. I'm guessing Facebook just makes it easier for the random frootloops.

i know we live in a surveillance age; my cousin who works for nasa tells me ther are hundreds of thousand of satellites orbiting earth. in my world, courtesy of target corporation (who donated cameras to the police in minneapolis) not a block of downtown minneapolis is unobserved and unrecorded. one good thing is that the ACLU did manage to fight the traffic light cameras in minneapolis, for now.

we are also living in an age when drone technology is coming of age - another issue. there have been a few privacy lawsuits in that regard as well.

i suppose since i work in the legal profession i have a keener awareness of potential for abuse, we handle lawsuits addressing the more severe aspects of privacy violations.

it is a matter of individual preference, and imo, it should be possible for those who are aware of the danger to be able to protect themselves. as it stands, facebook does not allow that

[Edited 3/6/15 5:00am]

You brought up another thing, camera survellance. I know it's very prevelent in the UK or at least parts of it. How long before it becomes the norm in every city in the States. Not long I wager. I'm just of the school too little, too late mindset. The consumer is already fully vested, getting out now would require some serious acrobatics. But I guess we do what we can.

GOOD GAWD!

dannyd5050 said:

Cerebus said:

Anybody who hasn't seen the Citizen Four documentary should do so immediately. It's available On Demand on HBO right now. And that's just a small tip of the iceberg. Our civil liberties are done and gone and they aren't coming back. The only choice you have in the matter is your occasional power to choose who makes money on your back. Facebook has never been and will never be a part of my life for that very reason. How is the creator of Facebook worth billions or dollars? Wake up people.

I can't stand it when someone says "Wake up, people!". Really? Like who the hell are YOU?

XxAxX said:

i'm sorry RenHoek. you work hard here, for no pay and then folks like me get all antsy. i strongly disagree with you on this subject but i am truly sorry for my disrespect.

I don't think there was anything wrong with what you said before, wish you had left it. If the mods want to get involved in discussions and choose to dismiss what people are talking about because they think we're "weirdos" they're going to get strongly worded, passionate replies.

We all have opinions about pretty much everything and they're rarely exactly the same. That's fine, it's one of the things that makes us uniquely individual humans, not herds of animals working on instinct. That being said, it's sad that some people choose to dismiss these things without taking the time to learn and/or protect themselves to the fullest extent possible. Allow one freedome to be taken away and more will follow (it's been proven and it's already happened). Allow one wall of protection to fall and it loosens the supports for all the others. We're living in a dangerously controlled society, not far different from those we regularly look down our noses at in other parts of the world. Choose to remain ignorant if you like, I respect your freedom to do so, if not your actual decision. I think it's wrong, but it's not something I'm holding personally against anybody. There are far more people in the US who would rather ignore the fact that our government, our society, our very way of life, is just steps away from complete collapse than there are those who would choose to educate themselves and try to do something about it. It's been a growing problem in our country for the last couple generations and it's only getting worse. All well and good, but five years from now, ten, however many it is when the realization that we're completely fucked actually sets in for you, remember this thread. Oh, and go watch Citizen Four.

CarrieMpls said:

TonyVanDam said:

If your going to continue to use your FB account, the very least you can do is take down and delete all of the pictures of your relatives (especially your children!), friends, and associates.

It's one thing if you choose to put your own privacy at risk. But do you think it's fair on risk the privacy of the people close to you as well?

Think about it.

If I had pictures of you there and you asked me to take them down I would. I'd take down anyone's pics who asked. I don't have children, so that's not a concern.

The thing is, most folks want to share their pictures and see the pics taken of them. I do not post pictures that depict anyone in a less than flattering light. I hate when folks post unflattering pics of me, so I can only do the same favor for my friends and loved ones.

I'm not sure what harm you think will come by sharing innocent pictures of people. What can be known, other than my friends can identify other people in my pictures. And everyone can set their own settings on whether they are allowed to be tagged/identified in pics anyway. There's a lot of mutual respect that goes on between me and my friends and family.

Everything you share on Facebook, including those pics, is being stored FOREVER for other people to view and use as they see fit. It doesn't matter what you and your family want or what you do with them. It's what is being done with them behind the scenes. Once you post them they are not just your anymore.

And for the record, there are MANY ways to protect yourself online. ... yeah, just, believe me, there are ways.