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Thread started 02/07/15 9:11pm

CynicKill

I Never Liked NBC's Brian Williams!

Mainly because I always saw him for what he was; a good looking celebrity masquerading as a journalist.

I guess that could be said for all of them, but never so much as when Brian Williams would appear on some show coming off way too shmoozy for his own good.

Now that stories are breaking left and right about his lack of credibility I can pat my intuition on its back.

Mr. Williams, audition for Jimmy Fallon and take up residence on his couch as a sidekick. Your services are no longer needed.

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Reply #1 posted 02/08/15 11:22am

OnlyNDaUsa

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so will he be back? As I almost always say: what he did seems unacceptable if he is fired that is fine with me if he quits that is fine too (well the only reason he would quit is to avoid being fired).



I do deplore when people lie about military stuff. he totally made up the RPG thing. And then he seems to have lied again in his apology. But the reports are conflicting so whatever.



and the Katrian stuff. (which I do not see as that big of a deal)

And there are some other things I have read...but I guess that is something between him and his bosses.

But I did watch the news the last few nights...

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Reply #2 posted 02/08/15 6:46pm

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CynicKill said:

Mainly because I always saw him for what he was; a good looking celebrity masquerading as a journalist.

I guess that could be said for all of them, but never so much as when Brian Williams would appear on some show coming off way too shmoozy for his own good.

Now that stories are breaking left and right about his lack of credibility I can pat my intuition on its back.

Mr. Williams, audition for Jimmy Fallon and take up residence on his couch as a sidekick. Your services are no longer needed.

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http://www.latimes.com/op...story.html

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Reply #3 posted 02/08/15 7:20pm

CynicKill

kpowers said:

CynicKill said:

Mainly because I always saw him for what he was; a good looking celebrity masquerading as a journalist.

I guess that could be said for all of them, but never so much as when Brian Williams would appear on some show coming off way too shmoozy for his own good.

Now that stories are breaking left and right about his lack of credibility I can pat my intuition on its back.

Mr. Williams, audition for Jimmy Fallon and take up residence on his couch as a sidekick. Your services are no longer needed.

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http://www.latimes.com/op...story.html

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Yeah I see what you mean.

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Reply #4 posted 02/09/15 2:53am

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I like Brian and never had a reason to dislike him...I'm certainly not going to dislike another Dude cuz he THINKS he's better looking than Black me..On the flip-side to the Scandal, I NEVER saw it coming. Brian's voice is so authoritative and "I'm the Main Man, I'm the News Baby, ya'dig"...I was shocked to hear he lied about flying in the helicopter that was shot down....All he had to do was talk about the actual helicopter that was shot and what happened when both helicopters landed...He was there on the scene for all of that....But noooooo, LOL...OL'boy had to place his ass right there INSIDE the helicopter that was shot down....LOL....It's hard to clean that up...I forgive him and I don't think he should lose his job, but then again I'm a Liberal and I WORSHIP NBC & MSNBC like Bees to Honey....

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Reply #5 posted 02/09/15 4:04am

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This doesn't surprise me at all. I've often encountered people like this as a civilian and in the military. I recall this one guy in our office who was telling us some story about something that had happen to him back in the day. It sounded familiar. I look at the other dude sitting near me who shout to the story teller "Hey, I told you that happen to me"! The guy had taken someone else story and adopted it as his own. He just forgot where he heard it and made the mistake of retelling it to the person whom it actually happened to. It was classic, you had to be there.
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Reply #6 posted 02/09/15 4:38am

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daingermouz2020 said:

This doesn't surprise me at all. I've often encountered people like this as a civilian and in the military. I recall this one guy in our office who was telling us some story about something that had happen to him back in the day. It sounded familiar. I look at the other dude sitting near me who shout to the story teller "Hey, I told you that happen to me"! The guy had taken someone else story and adopted it as his own. He just forgot where he heard it and made the mistake of retelling it to the person whom it actually happened to. It was classic, you had to be there. [Edited 2/9/15 4:07am]

That's a great example but look at it like this...I've never been shot at, ever...If I'm remembering correctly I've never been in a situation where random Gun shots were Fired...There's no way I would make up a story about being "shot at" knowing I've never experienced that....Brian could have told a GREAT and Heroic story about the helicopter that was shot down because it was flying behind the one he was in..That part did happen...The odd part is that he put himself in the wrong helicopter..Was it a "memory thing or a Flat out Lie" that he thought he could get away with? NBC is waiting to see how this plays out in the Public and Social Media...I think he deserves a 2nd chance as long as he can remember the right things as they actually happened...LOL...

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Reply #7 posted 02/09/15 7:12am

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OK. Who at NBC doesn't like Mr. Williams or has an ax to grind? lol

Because this shit happened damn near a decade ago... his exagerations and/or lies could have be "shot down" when he first opened his mouth to tell his tale(s).Why? It sounds like to me the classic back biting, brutal, and ruthless game(s) people play in Corporate America. Gotcha! Some folks (his bosses, producer, the men in the helicopter with him) knew all along he had lied, sat on story, kept the story in their back pocket... to used for a later day. Oh well, what will be will be.

I stopped watching TV news when journalist started courting celebrity. The 24 news cycle are controlled and owned by people who hire mouth pieces to do puff pieces or engage in push button politics. Most of them lie. (IMHO)

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Reply #8 posted 02/09/15 1:33pm

Slave2daGroove

So he is the only one being held accountable for lying about Iraq?

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Reply #9 posted 02/09/15 1:55pm

CynicKill

There's something about Katrina and someone dug up another ancient tape of him exaggerating about something.

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Reply #10 posted 02/09/15 7:30pm

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Slave2daGroove said:

So he is the only one being held accountable for lying about Iraq?

falloff


If people are seriously considering firing Brian Williams for exaggerating his experiences in Iraq (whic BTW he never did during any actual newscast), then they need to shutter the entire Fox News Channel, get rid of most of the people at CNN, and fire half of the hacks at CBS and ABC News. People really have a problem with a news anchor embellishing his peorsonal experiences yert have no issue with a network blatantly editing footage to make it appear protestors are calling for cops to be killed when they clearly did not or photoshopping the number of people at a tea party rally?

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Reply #11 posted 02/09/15 8:32pm

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728huey said:

Slave2daGroove said:

So he is the only one being held accountable for lying about Iraq?

falloff


If people are seriously considering firing Brian Williams for exaggerating his experiences in Iraq (whic BTW he never did during any actual newscast), then they need to shutter the entire Fox News Channel, get rid of most of the people at CNN, and fire half of the hacks at CBS and ABC News. People really have a problem with a news anchor embellishing his peorsonal experiences yert have no issue with a network blatantly editing footage to make it appear protestors are calling for cops to be killed when they clearly did not or photoshopping the number of people at a tea party rally?

typing

Of course those folks would tell ya... that's different.v wink

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Reply #12 posted 02/09/15 8:48pm

CynicKill

Fire 'em all!

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Reply #13 posted 02/10/15 6:39am

Slave2daGroove

728huey said:

Slave2daGroove said:

So he is the only one being held accountable for lying about Iraq?

falloff


If people are seriously considering firing Brian Williams for exaggerating his experiences in Iraq (whic BTW he never did during any actual newscast), then they need to shutter the entire Fox News Channel, get rid of most of the people at CNN, and fire half of the hacks at CBS and ABC News. People really have a problem with a news anchor embellishing his peorsonal experiences yert have no issue with a network blatantly editing footage to make it appear protestors are calling for cops to be killed when they clearly did not or photoshopping the number of people at a tea party rally?

typing

I agree 100% and I didn't mean to make this into a P&R conversation, I just think this is ridiculous.

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728huey said:

Slave2daGroove said:

So he is the only one being held accountable for lying about Iraq?

falloff


If people are seriously considering firing Brian Williams for exaggerating his experiences in Iraq (whic BTW he never did during any actual newscast), then they need to shutter the entire Fox News Channel, get rid of most of the people at CNN, and fire half of the hacks at CBS and ABC News. People really have a problem with a news anchor embellishing his peorsonal experiences yert have no issue with a network blatantly editing footage to make it appear protestors are calling for cops to be killed when they clearly did not or photoshopping the number of people at a tea party rally?

typing

What do you mean half and most? Fire them all and everyone over at MSNBC and NBC. THe only newscaster I trust is-

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Reply #15 posted 02/10/15 9:32pm

CynicKill

How Brian Williams lost his gravitas to NBC’s relentless marketing machine

Even before "misremembering," years of self-parody promoting the network diluted the anchor's credibility

Share 37 47 0 Topics: NBC, Brian Williams, Mindy Kaling, nbc nightly news, Saturday Night Live, SNL, Jimmy Fallon, 30 Rock, Entertainment News Brian Williams on "Saturday Night Live" with Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin (Credit: NBC) In 2011, actress and comedian Mindy Kaling—then a breakout NBC star from the “The Office”—remarked on Twitter, in a joke that sounds awkwardly foreboding now, given the events of the last week: “At this point there must be some teenagers who think Brian Williams is a sketch comedy actor who has a really dry nightly parody news show.” It’s unclear exactly what Kaling was responding to—probably the fifth season of “30 Rock,” which ran from January to May of that year, and featured “NBC Nightly News” anchor Williams in three episodes (“¡Que Sorpresa!” and “100,” parts one and two). But it could have been other moments, too: By 2011, Williams was a frequent host on “Late Night With Jimmy Fallon,” slow-jamming the news on a variety of topics, a giant head on “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart,” and an occasional guest star on “Saturday Night Live,” too. In almost all of his appearances, Williams played a game, competent, hilarious version of himself: In “30 Rock,” he adopts a more than proficient New Jersey accent; in “Saturday Night Live,” he plays an entirely convincing newsman from 1970. Ever since becoming “NBC Nightly News” lead anchor and managing editor, in 2003, Williams has played up his anchor-face both for his work—which is award-winning—and for occasional but well-earned laughs. advertisement And then Williams embellished a war story from 2003 and repeated it on-air on Feb. 2; this has varying importance, depending on whom you ask. Williams has stepped away from his role for an indeterminate amount of time while NBC News conducts an internal investigation into Williams’ trustworthiness (which, as columns at Time and the New York Times observe, will be a case of an employee investigating the boss, which is not exactly objective). This means that over the course of the last few days, Williams’ forays into the land of make-believe have become the butt of the joke, instead of the joke itself. Conan O’Brien and Larry Wilmore made cracks about Williams’ fabrications in the opening monologues to their shows Monday night; Jon Stewart devoted a lengthy and more even-handed segment to the story (Williams is, reportedly, a friend). Regardless of whether Williams’ “misremembering” merits termination, though, this is really not about him, or about journalistic ethics, as much of the media is making it out to be. The story is instead about what Stewart charmingly calls “infotainment confusion syndrome,” which occurs when “the celebrity cortex gets its wires crossed with the medulla anchordala.” As David Carr points out in the Times, being a news anchor requires a public persona that is a nearly impossible combination of traits: “We want our anchors to be everywhere, to be impossibly famous, globe-trotting, hilarious, down-to-earth, and above all, trustworthy. It’s a job description that no one can match.” Williams undoubtedly had a hand in undermining that peerless image, whether that was through fabricating this story or delivering a line or two from Sir Mix-A-Lot’s “Baby Got Back” with Jimmy Fallon on “The Tonight Show.” But it is impossible to view this story without viewing the deliberate line-blurring that is NBC’s cross-promotional marketing—marketing that has placed Williams front-and-center in a branding strategy that appears to have now quite publicly backfired. Williams, once he ascended to the anchor’s chair, became a flagship brand—one that NBC could use to promote, revitalize or reinforce other branded content, whether that was scripted work like “30 Rock” or late-night comedy like “The Tonight Show” and “Saturday Night Live.” Jimmy Fallon uses Brian Williams as a bastion of reason to slow-jam with; Williams uses Fallon as an injection of instant cool. NBC uses both to tie the shows and the franchises to each other. “The Tonight Show,” “SNL” and “NBC Nightly News” are franchises that have defined the network’s success for decades; NBC follows through by attempting to yoke them all together in viewers’ minds. And “30 Rock,” in its seven seasons, was a show that simultaneously mocked NBC’s structure and wrote the mythos around it—how many other addresses of news networks can you name? Every network tries to cross-promote—characters on ABC’s “Nashville” will only entertain interviews from ABC shows like “Good Morning America,” for example—but NBC is the best at it. That peacock is ubiquitous; those three-tone chimes are immediately recognizable. And the “Brotherhood of Man” promo I mentioned earlier offers a dys- or utopia—depending on how you feel about it—that offers a comprehensive world of programming—comedies, procedurals, musicals, late-night comedy, news and, of course, the Super Bowl. The combined cast of seemingly every show under NBC’s banner joins together—including, prominently, Mindy Kaling—and changes the last words to “aren’t you proud to be / right here on NBC / in this great brotherhood of man?” Not for nothing is this both the oldest and the No. 1 network in America. Williams has, of course, been a celebrity guest on other networks’ shows—his 2013 appearance on “The Late Show With David Letterman,” a CBS property, is at the center of this kerfuffle. If anything, though, his casual remarks as a guest to David Letterman seem less significant than cameos on his employer’s other shows. The former is a hobby; the latter is work. If NBC wants its anchors to be comedians and performers on top of being responsible, trustworthy deliverers of the news, then perhaps they should reconsider what they demand of their newsreaders. There’s a reason that “SNL’s” “Weekend Update” is not “NBC Nightly News.” And there’s a reason, too, why the actress daughters of news anchors perhaps shouldn’t be eligible for the lead in a live musical on that same network. Brian Williams is an incredible brand—he’s easily the most recognizable network news anchor in America—and it seems to me that in their eagerness to cross-promote, NBC ended up irrevocably diluting his credibility. Ultimately, I am not sure what needs to happen for “NBC Nightly News” to regain its footing. As frustrating as the specter of “infotainment” is, I have to be honest: Brian Williams is funny on “Saturday Night Live,” he’s hilarious in “30 Rock,” and look, I’ve seen that “Brotherhood of Man” promo at least a dozen times—today. But news and entertainment have always mixed uncomfortably—and NBC is getting in the way of its own success by focusing on what is little more than self-congratulatory branding.

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Reply #16 posted 02/11/15 2:53am

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You know, I don't get the 6-months UNPAID suspension thing...It's Odd @ Best...Years ago a close coworker of mine was placed on "Administrative leave" and I knew he was not coming back because previous coworkers never came back. The interesting thing is they let him keep the Company SUV until the "investigation or cremation of Skeletons" was complete or whatever...He said HR fired him via FedEx which had a few pages inclosed as to "why they were letting him go"....He returned the SUV and began a lawsuit against our Employer...I have a hard time believing Brian is gonna return in 6-months...Why would he want to return with that "cloud" hovering over him? Then a Radio personality said it's UNPAID leave...

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Reply #17 posted 02/11/15 8:02pm

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Chancellor said:

You know, I don't get the 6-months UNPAID suspension thing...It's Odd @ Best...Years ago a close coworker of mine was placed on "Administrative leave" and I knew he was not coming back because previous coworkers never came back. The interesting thing is they let him keep the Company SUV until the "investigation or cremation of Skeletons" was complete or whatever...He said HR fired him via FedEx which had a few pages inclosed as to "why they were letting him go"....He returned the SUV and began a lawsuit against our Employer...I have a hard time believing Brian is gonna return in 6-months...Why would he want to return with that "cloud" hovering over him? Then a Radio personality said it's UNPAID leave...


Either NBC is trying to find a way to extricate him out of his lucrative contract, or they are waiting for the ratings in the next couple of months. If NBC Nightly News starts dropping in the ratings during his departure, then I'm sure NBC will find a way to reinstate him, claiming his punishment was "too harsh."

But to that preceding article, NBC has no one to blame but themselves over the direction their news division hasd gone. When they decided to can David Gregory from Meet The Press, the first person they asked to replace him wasn't Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell, or any of their other political correspondents; they asked Jon Stewart to take over. But he declined.

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Reply #18 posted 02/11/15 9:47pm

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Chancellor said:

You know, I don't get the 6-months UNPAID suspension thing...It's Odd @ Best...Years ago a close coworker of mine was placed on "Administrative leave" and I knew he was not coming back because previous coworkers never came back. The interesting thing is they let him keep the Company SUV until the "investigation or cremation of Skeletons" was complete or whatever...He said HR fired him via FedEx which had a few pages inclosed as to "why they were letting him go"....He returned the SUV and began a lawsuit against our Employer...I have a hard time believing Brian is gonna return in 6-months...Why would he want to return with that "cloud" hovering over him? Then a Radio personality said it's UNPAID leave...

Chancellor, polish those shoes, get out your blue suit, white shirt and blue tie, and send in your resume, cuz NBC is looking for a new network anchor. lol

And the people that you knew at Elaine's
And the story of your latest success
Ya kept 'em so entertained



But now you just don't remember

All the things you said
And you're not sure you want to know
I'll give you one hint, honey
You sure did put on a show


.... Billy Joel's, "Big Shot"

This is a case of someone getting caught up...


Mr. Willliams lied and ingratiated himself into an event(s) to make himself look good. I agree with 728huey. Slave2daGroove, Mr Stewart's, its hypocritical to point the finger at Mr. Williams when the lies on why we went to War, started at the top and were support all the way down to the man and woman on the street. What happened in Iraq isn't going to go away, we will revisted this "story" again. We all will have to take into account what we supported and what was done in our name.

I'd be very surprised of Mr. Willimas' comes back as new anchor to NBC News. These seems be a face saving and/or cover my ass jester for NBC superiors and Mr. Williams. Years ago news anchors, Brinkley, Cronkite, Chancellor, Huntley, Mudd, Reynolds, and Trout... didn't report on the banal lives of celebrities. They didn't report hearsay as facts. People were fired when they didn't have two confirmed sources to back up their reporting. News anchor didn't run from talk show ot talk show, speaking about themselves. There were strict rules about endorsing products, doing commercials, or appearing in films / tv cameos... they weren't allowed to. You couldn't discern those men political beliefs or leanings and you knew nothing about their families or lives away from the camara. NBC isn't the only network that has pimped all to wiling news anchors / reporters for fame and ratings. In my humble opinion all this shit started with Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward, becoming "stars" after Watergate / "All The President Men". I think a lot of people entered news/press with the goal of becoming a star by hook or lie.

p.s. Iraq War Helicopter Pilot...ccuracies.

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Reply #19 posted 02/11/15 11:52pm

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Lying Williams

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Reply #20 posted 02/12/15 8:03am

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Slave2daGroove said:

So he is the only one being held accountable for lying about Iraq?

falloff

Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy!
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Reply #21 posted 02/13/15 12:30pm

Slave2daGroove

Best thought I've had today...

Brian's New Job = THE DAILY SHOW

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Reply #22 posted 02/13/15 3:45pm

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Slave2daGroove said:

Best thought I've had today...

Brian's New Job = THE DAILY SHOW

no. he is okay but he is no comic. it would fail. he will likely never be on any major show again. but he would be a disaster on the daily show



Oh and two more LIES came up! he lied and said he flew into Bagdad with seal team 6 in 2003, and lied again that he was sent a thank you note from seal team 6 after they killed USB.

"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!"
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Reply #23 posted 02/15/15 2:47pm

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He is a pretty face who speaks well. In other words, he is expendable.

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