I still haven't decided yet.

Why do you hate Apple phones?

Militant said:

I hate Apple phones, but luckily there's a choice of at least a dozen awesome Android phones.

I've got my eye on the new Nexus 6.

And I thought I was the last person who doesn´t have a cellphone or smartphone.

I mean, theoretically, I do have a cellphone but it´s one of those ancient Nokia phones with a prepaid card, and it´s not even registered under my name. I don´t make any phonecalls but some dear friends can reach me if they want. I never use it.

dJJ said:

3rdeyedude said:

I also don't have a cell phone.

But, I'm rethinking it. Maybe I'll buy myself one from the Hema.

Pro

I think it's handy to be able to contact folks when I'm out. Now, I only have a home phone. When somebody is late, or wants to change the appointment, it's easy to have a cell phone.

Pro

When something happens, an accident or fight or a cop is unloading is his gun into a black guy or whatever, you can video it with your phone. Now, I sometimes feel like making a pic, but I can't.

Con

On the other hand, I don't like the fact that the government is tracking everybody by their cell phones. It's not that I do illegal stuf, but the idea that the government tracks all my moves just does not feel very safe to me.

Con

Now, when I'm out, I'm out. I can't be reached. It's nice. I can relax.

Con

If I get a phone, I will be checking my mail, fb or other things. It distracts me from what I'm doing.

Pro

If I get a phone, I can check my mail watch a video or listen to music when I'm in the train or bus.

Con

The constant focus on the phone. I truly despise folks who focus on their phone while in company. I know I will not do that, but it's just something that makes me hate cell phones.

KoolEaze said:

Why do you hate Apple phones?

I find them incredibly simplistic. They feel to me like technology made for people who don't actually like technology. They are also incredibly restricted - Apple approve only the apps they want to approve - so essentially they are dictating how you can use the product that YOU own, which I don't like.

You are forced to use their software by default, and whilst Apple are capable of making good hardware, they are terrible at making software. For example - let's say someone was to make a music player app that was way better than iTunes - you wouldn't be able to use it as your default audio player on an iPhone, whereas you can on Android. My favorite mobile browser is Chrome - but Apple forced Google to strip out half of the features before approving it for the iPhone, and you still can't use it as your default web browser, so if you open a link in another app, it will still always open in Apple's browser.

I find the layout of grids to be very basic and lack customisation options compared to Android.

Technology wise, they are two years behind the curve. For example, this image shows how many of the new features Apple introduced this year are features that have been present in Android for years.

And the main things for me are these.


1) Smartphones are devices designed for the internet. That's what the "smart" in smartphones means.

Apple suck at making web services. That's a fact. They've never been good at it and they probably never will be.

If you look at the key services that most people use online, you can bet that for most web users, those services include things like Google Search, YouTube, Google Maps, Google Calendar, Gmail, Google Chrome browser, Blogger, Google Play Music. I can't think of a single web user I know that doesn't, at the very least, use Google Search, Maps, and YouTube.

And the simple key truth is that Google's services, whilst available on iOS, simply work much better, with more features and deeper integration, on Android - which you'd expect as it's Google's own platform.

2) Choice. I like choice. More choice is good. Less choice is bad. I'm hardware-agnostic. I don't really give a shit about hardware. Crack it open, it's all the same inside. Processors, RAM, GPU's, screens, etc. Who cares? Software is where it's at, and I feel that users should have access to software across an infinite range of devices so they can find the right one that fits their needs.

I've used Android phones and tablets for 6 years, since the very first Android device (the HTC Dream aka T-Mobile G1) came out in 2008. Since that time, I've purchased and used Android devices from HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, Motorola, ASUS, Barnes & Noble and Acer.

My philosophy in that regard is simple. Whoever has made the best product that best suits my needs at the time I require a new device, gets my money. And those needs are of course subject to change. If I decided right now that I wanted to pursue better quality photography, or let's say I wanted to move to the coast, I'd probably buy one of the new Sony devices like the Z3 - because they have phenomenal cameras and are waterproof! If I require more note taking facilities, I'd get the new Samsung Galaxy Note. If I required fantastic sound, I'd get the new HTC One with stereo front facing speakers and a high quality audio processing unit inside it. All the manufacturers have strengths that suit different people better, but because they all run Android, you can seamlessly switch from one to another and keep all your same apps, layouts, etc.

Apple has this whole "one-size-fits-all" thing going on, which I don't really get. I don't think there's any one particular area that Apple excels in. Perhaps their industrial design of the actual body and chassis of their phones (then again, maybe not since the new one bends!) but certainly not in their software.

What it really boils down to is that Apple want you to do things their way. They want you to see the world how THEY see it. Whereas Google and Android want you to do whatever the hell you want, whatever you feel like. They aren't playing mummy and daddy while you run around in bubblewrap in their walled-in garden like Apple do.

I still remember Steve Jobs expressing his outrage that porn was available on Android. That was so funny to me because it proved that Apple saw themselves as some sort of moral authority on what people should and should not be doing. Says it all, really.

Wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to write such a detailed answer. I know you´re not exactly a fan of Apple and their products but unlike most people you are very good at explaining the differences to a layman like me. And yes, Apple is like technology for people who hate technology...that would be me. Not that I really hate hate hate technology but I don´t like it when things get too complicated, and Apple products seem to be much more user friendly for tech idiots like me....but then again, so far I´ve survived pretty well with regular laptops and non-Apple products.

Your tech-related posts are one of the main reasons why I still haven´t bought an Apple computer, despite some of my best friends (and Apple afficionados) constantly trying to talk me into buying a new and expensive Apple computer or smartphone.

It´s interesting that , as a musician, you are still pretty skeptical of Apple, because honestly, you are the only professional musician I know who does not use Apple products. And I know many professional musicians. But yeah, your explanations make a lot of sense. Thanks!

Militant said:

KoolEaze said:

Why do you hate Apple phones?

I find them incredibly simplistic. They feel to me like technology made for people who don't actually like technology. They are also incredibly restricted - Apple approve only the apps they want to approve - so essentially they are dictating how you can use the product that YOU own, which I don't like.

You are forced to use their software by default, and whilst Apple are capable of making good hardware, they are terrible at making software. For example - let's say someone was to make a music player app that was way better than iTunes - you wouldn't be able to use it as your default audio player on an iPhone, whereas you can on Android. My favorite mobile browser is Chrome - but Apple forced Google to strip out half of the features before approving it for the iPhone, and you still can't use it as your default web browser, so if you open a link in another app, it will still always open in Apple's browser.

I find the layout of grids to be very basic and lack customisation options compared to Android.

Technology wise, they are two years behind the curve. For example, this image shows how many of the new features Apple introduced this year are features that have been present in Android for years.

And the main things for me are these.


1) Smartphones are devices designed for the internet. That's what the "smart" in smartphones means.

Apple suck at making web services. That's a fact. They've never been good at it and they probably never will be.

If you look at the key services that most people use online, you can bet that for most web users, those services include things like Google Search, YouTube, Google Maps, Google Calendar, Gmail, Google Chrome browser, Blogger, Google Play Music. I can't think of a single web user I know that doesn't, at the very least, use Google Search, Maps, and YouTube.

And the simple key truth is that Google's services, whilst available on iOS, simply work much better, with more features and deeper integration, on Android - which you'd expect as it's Google's own platform.

2) Choice. I like choice. More choice is good. Less choice is bad. I'm hardware-agnostic. I don't really give a shit about hardware. Crack it open, it's all the same inside. Processors, RAM, GPU's, screens, etc. Who cares? Software is where it's at, and I feel that users should have access to software across an infinite range of devices so they can find the right one that fits their needs.

I've used Android phones and tablets for 6 years, since the very first Android device (the HTC Dream aka T-Mobile G1) came out in 2008. Since that time, I've purchased and used Android devices from HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, Motorola, ASUS, Barnes & Noble and Acer.

My philosophy in that regard is simple. Whoever has made the best product that best suits my needs at the time I require a new device, gets my money. And those needs are of course subject to change. If I decided right now that I wanted to pursue better quality photography, or let's say I wanted to move to the coast, I'd probably buy one of the new Sony devices like the Z3 - because they have phenomenal cameras and are waterproof! If I require more note taking facilities, I'd get the new Samsung Galaxy Note. If I required fantastic sound, I'd get the new HTC One with stereo front facing speakers and a high quality audio processing unit inside it. All the manufacturers have strengths that suit different people better, but because they all run Android, you can seamlessly switch from one to another and keep all your same apps, layouts, etc.

Apple has this whole "one-size-fits-all" thing going on, which I don't really get. I don't think there's any one particular area that Apple excels in. Perhaps their industrial design of the actual body and chassis of their phones (then again, maybe not since the new one bends!) but certainly not in their software.

What it really boils down to is that Apple want you to do things their way. They want you to see the world how THEY see it. Whereas Google and Android want you to do whatever the hell you want, whatever you feel like. They aren't playing mummy and daddy while you run around in bubblewrap in their walled-in garden like Apple do.

I still remember Steve Jobs expressing his outrage that porn was available on Android. That was so funny to me because it proved that Apple saw themselves as some sort of moral authority on what people should and should not be doing. Says it all, really.

The thing is, for making music now, the main tools that people use work the same across Windows and Mac OSX, and you can get a lot more for your money with a Windows rig.

I just bought a new music production station with an i7 processor, a 2TB hard drive, an NVIDIA GPU and 12GB of RAM for £800. You're looking at £1400+ for a Mac with similar specs, and the programs I use like Reaper and Ableton work exactly the same. I'd rather spend the extra £600 on an analog synth or drum machine

purplethunder3121 said:

A step up from

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My mother family had a Ma Bell phone... when home numbers were 4 digits. I'd bet she say, the latter was a lot easier to navigate.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Militant said:

Militant said:

The thing is, for making music now, the main tools that people use work the same across Windows and Mac OSX, and you can get a lot more for your money with a Windows rig.

I just bought a new music production station with an i7 processor, a 2TB hard drive, an NVIDIA GPU and 12GB of RAM for £800. You're looking at £1400+ for a Mac with similar specs, and the programs I use like Reaper and Ableton work exactly the same. I'd rather spend the extra £600 on an analog synth or drum machine

logic doesn't run on windows

you go into the majority of big studios and they'll be running a mac

i'm not saying you can't make a decent windows rig... but let's not get it twisted

MoBettaBliss said:

Militant said:

The thing is, for making music now, the main tools that people use work the same across Windows and Mac OSX, and you can get a lot more for your money with a Windows rig.

I just bought a new music production station with an i7 processor, a 2TB hard drive, an NVIDIA GPU and 12GB of RAM for £800. You're looking at £1400+ for a Mac with similar specs, and the programs I use like Reaper and Ableton work exactly the same. I'd rather spend the extra £600 on an analog synth or drum machine

logic doesn't run on windows

you go into the majority of big studios and they'll be running a mac

i'm not saying you can't make a decent windows rig... but let's not get it twisted

I don't know anybody that still uses Logic, this isn't 2008.

If you aren't using Ableton Live, Reaper or Pro Tools in 2014, there's something wrong with you! They all kick the crap out of Logic.

I've recorded and mixed in some of the biggest studios in the world in the last 3 years including Metalworks in Mississauga, Ontario where Prince did Musicology. A few of them had Windows rigs. A few had Mac. They all ran Pro Tools. I didn't see anyone using Logic.

Militant said:

MoBettaBliss said:

logic doesn't run on windows

you go into the majority of big studios and they'll be running a mac

i'm not saying you can't make a decent windows rig... but let's not get it twisted

I don't know anybody that still uses Logic, this isn't 2008.

If you aren't using Ableton Live, Reaper or Pro Tools in 2014, there's something wrong with you! They all kick the crap out of Logic.

I've recorded and mixed in some of the biggest studios in the world in the last 3 years including Metalworks in Mississauga, Ontario where Prince did Musicology. A few of them had Windows rigs. A few had Mac. They all ran Pro Tools. I didn't see anyone using Logic.

PLENTY of people use logic

i didn't say the biggest studios used logic, they obviously use pro tools, although some have logic (as well as a few other daws) too

i said the majority of major studios run a mac... i said that because it's true

MoBettaBliss said:

Militant said:

I don't know anybody that still uses Logic, this isn't 2008.

If you aren't using Ableton Live, Reaper or Pro Tools in 2014, there's something wrong with you! They all kick the crap out of Logic.

I've recorded and mixed in some of the biggest studios in the world in the last 3 years including Metalworks in Mississauga, Ontario where Prince did Musicology. A few of them had Windows rigs. A few had Mac. They all ran Pro Tools. I didn't see anyone using Logic.

PLENTY of people use logic

i didn't say the biggest studios used logic, they obviously use pro tools, although some have logic (as well as a few other daws) too

i said the majority of major studios run a mac... i said that because it's true

I don't know anyone making contemporary music still using Logic. I wouldn't consider it a cutting edge DAW.

Pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, if you're running Pro Tools, Reaper, or Ableton, you're better off with a Windows rig because you'll get more power for your money. That's a fact.

I considered a Mac before I bought my new Windows rig. But I couldn't find one with more than 8GB of RAM for less than £1500. 8GB of RAM is what I've been running on my old rig for 3 years and I maxed out all of that RAM plenty of times on larger sessions.

Maybe if you don't record a lot of tracks and don't use a lot of plugins, you can get away with less. I need more power.

The spec of my rig would cost damn near double on a Mac machine. Probably why so many people who like OSX build Hackintoshes these days *shrugs*

Militant said:

MoBettaBliss said:

PLENTY of people use logic

i didn't say the biggest studios used logic, they obviously use pro tools, although some have logic (as well as a few other daws) too

i said the majority of major studios run a mac... i said that because it's true

I don't know anyone making contemporary music still using Logic. I wouldn't consider it a cutting edge DAW.

Pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, if you're running Pro Tools, Reaper, or Ableton, you're better off with a Windows rig because you'll get more power for your money. That's a fact.

I considered a Mac before I bought my new Windows rig. But I couldn't find one with more than 8GB of RAM for less than £1500. 8GB of RAM is what I've been running on my old rig for 3 years and I maxed out all of that RAM plenty of times on larger sessions.

Maybe if you don't record a lot of tracks and don't use a lot of plugins, you can get away with less. I need more power.

The spec of my rig would cost damn near double on a Mac machine. Probably why so many people who like OSX build Hackintoshes these days *shrugs*

plenty of people use logic.. you don't consider it cutting edge?.. logic X?... i find that funny

i don't want to get stuck on that though... i only mentioned it as an example of something that doesn't run on windows

i'm familiar with ram requirements to run a lot of tracks... i have 32 gig of ram in my new mac pro.. although i don't use heaps of plugins (compared to some) as i mainly use hardware for compression, reverb etc, for both tracking and mixing

again, i'm not stating you can't build a cool windows rig.. or that it won't be cheaper ... it will

but to discount mac is just not an honest picture of what's going on in the recording industry

i don't have horse in the apple vs other race... i use apple (and logic *gasp*)... i really couldn't care less what other people prefer

Logic is capable enough for many things, sure, but no, feature-for-feature, it doesn't hold a candle to Ableton Live or Reaper..... all the contemporary producers I know have switched to one or the other over the last 3-4 years...............look at what the hottest producers like Zedd and Porter Robinson are using.....

can't be bothered edit

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evidently i can be bothered... so i'll just leave this here

this is a poll taken this year on the site gearslutz.com... one of the (if not.. THE) largest site for recording musicians ... a site that is often visited by some of the world's best recording engineers

the poll asks users which daw (for those that don't know.. daw = digital audio worklstation.. ie recording software) are they cuirrently using

which came out on top?...apple logic

https://www.gearslutz.com...015-a.html

so to say people don't use logic is ridiculous... to say it doesn't hold a candle to reaper and ableton (both fine programs) is utter nonsense

the fact is most of today's daws are AWESOME... compared to what people used back in the day, we are truly spoiled ... i started out on 4 track tascam casette decks ffs

for most... the differences come down to workflow

i say to people... pick one.. learn it... and you're good to go

i'm glad you like the stuff you use militant... enjoy it... but please stop talking shit about things you obviously have no idea about... regardless what your circle of hot producers are doing... something working for you doesn't make it the best... and it doesn't make everything else shit

anyway.... phones


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MoBettaBliss said:

evidently i can be bothered... so i'll just leave this here

this is a poll taken this year on the site gearslutz.com... one of the (if not.. THE) largest site for recording musicians ... a site that is often visited by some of the world's best recording engineers

the poll asks users which daw (for those that don't know.. daw = digital audio worklstation.. ie recording software) are they cuirrently using

which came out on top?...apple logic

https://www.gearslutz.com...015-a.html

so to say people don't use logic is ridiculous... to say it doesn't hold a candle to reaper and ableton (both fine programs) is utter nonsense

the fact is most of today's daws are AWESOME... compared to what people used back in the day, we are truly spoiled ... i started out on 4 track tascam casette decks ffs

for most... the differences come down to workflow

i say to people... pick one.. learn it... and you're good to go

i'm glad you like the stuff you use militant... enjoy it... but please stop talking shit about things you obviously have no idea about... regardless what your circle of hot producers are doing... something working for you doesn't make it the best... and it doesn't make everything else shit

anyway.... phones


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Your statistics lack context.

So 18% of people in that poll use Logic? Great. 15% of people in that poll use Cubase, and I wouldn't call that a cutting edge DAW either.

11% of the people in that poll use Ableton. 8% of people use Reaper.

So that's more people using those two programs combined than use Logic TOTAL.

Logic was made in 1993.

Ableton live was created in 2001 and Reaper was created in 2005. But both programs started gaining momentum in the last 5 years (I hadn't heard many people mention either program before that)

Therefore.... both Ableton and Reaper, over the last five years, have built a userbase of 50-60% of Logic's userbase in a fraction of the time.... and THAT's what I mean about cutting edge.

I would wager that most of the people using Logic are people who have been using it since the 90's and have thousands of Logic session files that they don't see a need to move into a different DAW.

So let me put it another way..... I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who uses Logic. I expect if you ran that a poll again on Gearslutz, the results would prove that. That's not an agist remark. You're right that it's about workflow. The workflow of Logic (and Pro Tools for that matter) are essentially a digital version of multitrack tape recorders.

Programs like Reaper and Ableton make you think about groove ideas in different ways. The workflow is completely different, that's why all the hot producers use em. For electronic music, and especially stuff with a lot of sampling, quick chops, and loops, they are a much better solution. Again, this is what I mean by cutting edge......

I'm not talking shit, these things are facts. You thought I was talking shit, but if you read my original post again, I said - I don't know anyone making contemporary music still using Logic and I don't consider it cutting edge. And I stand by that statement. You said "regardless of the circle of hot producers" - well.... those are the people making contemporary music. The kind of stuff that's hitting #1 on Beatport and sites like that day in day out.... the kind of people that Gaga will blow half her budget to hire, like Zedd and Avicii....

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Militant said:

MoBettaBliss said:

evidently i can be bothered... so i'll just leave this here

this is a poll taken this year on the site gearslutz.com... one of the (if not.. THE) largest site for recording musicians ... a site that is often visited by some of the world's best recording engineers

the poll asks users which daw (for those that don't know.. daw = digital audio worklstation.. ie recording software) are they cuirrently using

which came out on top?...apple logic

https://www.gearslutz.com...015-a.html

so to say people don't use logic is ridiculous... to say it doesn't hold a candle to reaper and ableton (both fine programs) is utter nonsense

the fact is most of today's daws are AWESOME... compared to what people used back in the day, we are truly spoiled ... i started out on 4 track tascam casette decks ffs

for most... the differences come down to workflow

i say to people... pick one.. learn it... and you're good to go

i'm glad you like the stuff you use militant... enjoy it... but please stop talking shit about things you obviously have no idea about... regardless what your circle of hot producers are doing... something working for you doesn't make it the best... and it doesn't make everything else shit

anyway.... phones


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Your statistics lack context.

So 18% of people in that poll use Logic? Great. 15% of people in that poll use Cubase, and I wouldn't call that a cutting edge DAW either.

11% of the people in that poll use Ableton. 8% of people use Reaper.

So that's more people using those two programs combined than use Logic TOTAL.

Logic was made in 1993.

Ableton live was created in 2001 and Reaper was created in 2005. But both programs started gaining momentum in the last 5 years (I hadn't heard many people mention either program before that)

Therefore.... both Ableton and Reaper, over the last five years, have built a userbase of 50-60% of Logic's userbase in a fraction of the time.... and THAT's what I mean about cutting edge.

I would wager that most of the people using Logic are people who have been using it since the 90's and have thousands of Logic session files that they don't see a need to move into a different DAW.

So let me put it another way..... I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who uses Logic. I expect if you ran that a poll again on Gearslutz, the results would prove that. That's not an agist remark. You're right that it's about workflow. The workflow of Logic (and Pro Tools for that matter) are essentially a digital version of multitrack tape recorders.

Programs like Reaper and Ableton make you think about groove ideas in different ways. The workflow is completely different, that's why all the hot producers use em. For electronic music, and especially stuff with a lot of sampling, quick chops, and loops, they are a much better solution. Again, this is what I mean by cutting edge......

I'm not talking shit, these things are facts. You thought I was talking shit, but if you read my original post again, I said - I don't know anyone making contemporary music still using Logic and I don't consider it cutting edge. And I stand by that statement. You said "regardless of the circle of hot producers" - well.... those are the people making contemporary music. The kind of stuff that's hitting #1 on Beatport and sites like that day in day out.... the kind of people that Gaga will blow half her budget to hire, like Zedd and Avicii....

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dude please stop

you're talking utter nonsense... you have absolutely nothing, other than a few people you might know, to back up what you're saying... it's garbage

"but if you read my original post again, I said - I don't know anyone making contemporary music still using Logic and I don't consider it cutting edge".

actually... no.... your origional post said "I don't know anybody that still uses Logic, this isn't 2008.
"

i've now proved to you that this is factually ridiculous

so now you're going with "only people over 40 use it"... and "only people who've been using it since the 90s use it"

drivel

you're just pulling stuff out of your arse based on nothing but your desire to try to be right

this isn't even an argument,,, LOADS of people use logic as their daw

reaper works for you?... cool

and guess what?... not all "hot producers" make electronic music... some poeple (myself included) like to still do that old fashioned 'playing instruments' thing

i'm sorry dude... but everything you've said on this subject is complete bullshit... you sound like a child who has his toys and is trying to say his toys are better than everyone else's

i'm not saying what i use is the best... it's what works for me... and plenty of other people

anyway... phones


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I provided context to my original post, you trying to break down what I said before I provided said context is a juvenile argument.... and I'm the kid? ha

KoolEaze said:

And I thought I was the last person who doesn´t have a cellphone or smartphone.

I mean, theoretically, I do have a cellphone but it´s one of those ancient Nokia phones with a prepaid card, and it´s not even registered under my name. I don´t make any phonecalls but some dear friends can reach me if they want. I never use it.

dJJ said:

I also don't have a cell phone.

But, I'm rethinking it. Maybe I'll buy myself one from the Hema.

Pro

I think it's handy to be able to contact folks when I'm out. Now, I only have a home phone. When somebody is late, or wants to change the appointment, it's easy to have a cell phone.

Pro

When something happens, an accident or fight or a cop is unloading is his gun into a black guy or whatever, you can video it with your phone. Now, I sometimes feel like making a pic, but I can't.

Con

On the other hand, I don't like the fact that the government is tracking everybody by their cell phones. It's not that I do illegal stuf, but the idea that the government tracks all my moves just does not feel very safe to me.

Con

Now, when I'm out, I'm out. I can't be reached. It's nice. I can relax.

Con

If I get a phone, I will be checking my mail, fb or other things. It distracts me from what I'm doing.

Pro

If I get a phone, I can check my mail watch a video or listen to music when I'm in the train or bus.

Con

The constant focus on the phone. I truly despise folks who focus on their phone while in company. I know I will not do that, but it's just something that makes me hate cell phones.

Do your friends and family complain?


It's great to see the reaction of kids and students when I tell them I don't have a cell. They just don't grasp it.

In the autum I was shortly dating somebody. And I was so happy that I did not have a cell phone. He felt like texting me all the time. He hated it. But, I don't like to be connected with people all the time. I need my space.


I'm still contemplating one. It's easy access to internet and information when not home.

On the other hand, I already feel violated, knowing that governments and whatever intelligence agencies (including Blackwater, owned by Monsanto), read everything on my computer.

They don't need to know where I am at every moment of the day.

I run a i7 27" imac with dual boot windows 8.1 so I get to play with both.

I record with Linux.

1. Adour (recording & editing)
2. Audacity
3. LMMS (sequencers)
4. Hydrogen (advanced drum machine)

Apple

Garageband (Audiobus: various 3rd party software)

Windows 7

1. Audacity
2. LMMS
   
3. Mixcraft Pro

Needless to say I have my tongue firmly planted in my cheek.


Folks use all type of sofware to record albums, whatever works for you, works. Good sound and music production can be achieved with some pretty basic stuff. I agree with Apple lowball hardware specs, for the price you pay for their computers. That's why I suggest you never ever purchase an Apple computer until late in the year, that's when they put the top tier hardware in their computers. Windows/PC make a piss poor product... it doesn't matter if the computer cost $400 or $1800 dollars. (IMHO) I always run into software incompatibility issues with Windows software, not to speak of it almost being impossible to prevent malware and virus infections. Win 7 is my last PC computer I'll ever buy. Linux & Mac for me.

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Well wait less back-up-the-truck on the pros and cons on Android, Apple, Linux, & Windows. Because they all have their pro's and their con's. Those pro's and con's depend on cost and how you use your computer devices. So what may be a con for me maybe a pro for you and vice-versa

Edward Snowden has stated repeatedly that people should stay away from anything Google, their far reaching data mining is ridiculous and scary. In theory, we should be able to purchase a barebones computer, tablet and/or phone and download whatever OS systems we want. Or at least, have an option to purchase barebones computer & devices from big box and Internet stores along side the likes of Android, Apple, & Windows. Another thing, most software and/or hardware manufactures have closed their systems in some form or fashion... that "corrals" you into eco-system. I can't download a Linux (ARM) Distro to a Android, Apple, or Windows phone or tablet either. Can't download Linux to a Chromebook unless I jail break it? Nope.

About privacy and goverment spying.

As far a privacy and the goverment: Don't buy into NSA being all knowing; they have been able to gather most of our data because most people don't secure their data or don't know how to secure their data in basic ways. Of course we could have had a more thoughtful debate about the Patriot Act but our nation are full of people how've embraced, 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'

iPhones and Apple computers are now encrypted, you have the password not Apple. Before that option, people could have set-up a VPN (virtual private network); you can still set-up a VPN on your router to further enhance your digital security of your network. I'd suggest paying for somethings because most of the time "free" comes with giving up your data. Buy a 2gb, 4gb, or 8gb hdd MY Cloud by Westeren Digital. Pay once and all of your shit sits on your cloud in your house.

By the way Apple app-store is still the best on the this planet.

Militant said:

MoBettaBliss said:

logic doesn't run on windows

you go into the majority of big studios and they'll be running a mac

i'm not saying you can't make a decent windows rig... but let's not get it twisted

I don't know anybody that still uses Logic, this isn't 2008.

If you aren't using Ableton Live, Reaper or Pro Tools in 2014, there's something wrong with you! They all kick the crap out of Logic.

I've recorded and mixed in some of the biggest studios in the world in the last 3 years including Metalworks in Mississauga, Ontario where Prince did Musicology. A few of them had Windows rigs. A few had Mac. They all ran Pro Tools. I didn't see anyone using Logic.

Interesting. Ive never really gotton into Pro Tools. I switched from Digital Performer to Logic about 6/7 years ago.

Militant said:

MoBettaBliss said:

evidently i can be bothered... so i'll just leave this here

this is a poll taken this year on the site gearslutz.com... one of the (if not.. THE) largest site for recording musicians ... a site that is often visited by some of the world's best recording engineers

the poll asks users which daw (for those that don't know.. daw = digital audio worklstation.. ie recording software) are they cuirrently using

which came out on top?...apple logic

https://www.gearslutz.com...015-a.html

so to say people don't use logic is ridiculous... to say it doesn't hold a candle to reaper and ableton (both fine programs) is utter nonsense

the fact is most of today's daws are AWESOME... compared to what people used back in the day, we are truly spoiled ... i started out on 4 track tascam casette decks ffs

for most... the differences come down to workflow

i say to people... pick one.. learn it... and you're good to go

i'm glad you like the stuff you use militant... enjoy it... but please stop talking shit about things you obviously have no idea about... regardless what your circle of hot producers are doing... something working for you doesn't make it the best... and it doesn't make everything else shit

anyway.... phones


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Your statistics lack context.

So 18% of people in that poll use Logic? Great. 15% of people in that poll use Cubase, and I wouldn't call that a cutting edge DAW either.

11% of the people in that poll use Ableton. 8% of people use Reaper.

So that's more people using those two programs combined than use Logic TOTAL.

Logic was made in 1993.

Ableton live was created in 2001 and Reaper was created in 2005. But both programs started gaining momentum in the last 5 years (I hadn't heard many people mention either program before that)

Therefore.... both Ableton and Reaper, over the last five years, have built a userbase of 50-60% of Logic's userbase in a fraction of the time.... and THAT's what I mean about cutting edge.

I would wager that most of the people using Logic are people who have been using it since the 90's and have thousands of Logic session files that they don't see a need to move into a different DAW.

So let me put it another way..... I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who uses Logic. I expect if you ran that a poll again on Gearslutz, the results would prove that. That's not an agist remark. You're right that it's about workflow. The workflow of Logic (and Pro Tools for that matter) are essentially a digital version of multitrack tape recorders.

Programs like Reaper and Ableton make you think about groove ideas in different ways. The workflow is completely different, that's why all the hot producers use em. For electronic music, and especially stuff with a lot of sampling, quick chops, and loops, they are a much better solution. Again, this is what I mean by cutting edge......

I'm not talking shit, these things are facts. You thought I was talking shit, but if you read my original post again, I said - I don't know anyone making contemporary music still using Logic and I don't consider it cutting edge. And I stand by that statement. You said "regardless of the circle of hot producers" - well.... those are the people making contemporary music. The kind of stuff that's hitting #1 on Beatport and sites like that day in day out.... the kind of people that Gaga will blow half her budget to hire, like Zedd and Avicii....

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Facts..........have u seen Logic Pro X?

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