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Thread started 08/10/14 12:45pm

RodeoSchro

Tony Stewart runs over and kills fellow driver

First off, you can find the video here. WARNING: It's not pretty:

http://deadspin.com/repor...1618893708

To sum it up - Stewart and Ward were bumping; Stewart ran the kid into the wall. Ward got mad, jumped out of his car, and strode to the middle of the track to yell at Stewart as Stewart passed by. Stewart hit him, and Ward died.

My opinions: Stewart did not do this on purpose. He tried to miss the kid but couldn't. At the moment of contact, he revved his engine and successfully guided his car to the inside (away from Ward) but it was too little, too late or both.

Others think Stewart tried to fishtail at the kid and throw dirt on him, and just lost control or got too close, and hit him. Given Stewart's well-known temper, it's easy to see how some would feel this way.

But I've read a lot on this, and watched the video and GIFs many times, and I'm pretty sure that Stewart couldn't see the kid until about a second before impact, and tried to use power to steer the car away from the kid.

Dirt track cars don't steer like the cars you and I drive. They have special differentials, and are designed to drift rather than turn. That's why Stewart had to use power, rather than his steering wheel, to attempt to miss the kid.

At any rate, it's a real tragedy. One thing is for sure - Ward should never have left his car, and certainly should not have moved to the inside of the track. That's never a smart move, and this time it was fatal.

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Reply #1 posted 08/10/14 2:11pm

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Stay in your car

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Reply #2 posted 08/10/14 4:36pm

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Definitely don't want to look at that video. Still traumatized. cry

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Reply #3 posted 08/10/14 5:20pm

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Reply #4 posted 08/10/14 6:43pm

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Tony gunned it. Not saying he wanted to kill the man. Saying he wanted to scare the kid but he royally f'd-up.
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Reply #5 posted 08/10/14 8:42pm

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If ever there was a case of "We don't know enough about anything to properly opine!" this is it...

There are SO many conflicting reports vs. opinions out there it's impossible to know what really went down.

I'll gladly wait until the official reports are published before I say much more...

One way or another it's a tremendous tragedy and my heart goes out to the familys of ALL involved.

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Reply #6 posted 08/11/14 5:36am

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MY OPINION: That son of a bitch (Tony Stewart) is guilty as charge. And yes, I'm convince that he did wanted to kill that dude.

Here is a video that's still up on YouTube:

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Reply #7 posted 08/11/14 6:33am

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^^^^ eek eek eek Totally horrific. But we have to go back to basics here, Ward should have NEVER exited his car like that. Whether or not Stewart actually meant to hit him, I don't think one could determine that...but if Ward wasn't out there on the road, literally charging the car on foot, there wouldn't had been anyone to hit. Sad he died though. pray

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Reply #8 posted 08/11/14 7:40am

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I keep hearing there might be rules changes to penalise drivers who get out of their cars while on the track.

You know this is a huge story when even the sports talkies in NYC are discussing it. According to WFAN, no criminal charges will be filed against Stewart.

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Reply #9 posted 08/11/14 8:08am

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Dumb, sad, and tempers flaring way beyond the boiling point that has cost a young man his life.

Its been reported the track these men were racing on, is poorly lit. Even so, Stewart gunned his car. Were Stewart's intentions to blow a puff of wind or dirt on Ward as he passed? Maybe. Stewart may have not been able to see or judge how close Ward was to his car/back wheel. Ward I'm sure thought, drivers would take a defensive actions to avoid him too. As missfee said, totally horrific.

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Reply #10 posted 08/11/14 10:35am

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kpowers said:

Stay in your car

I couldn't agree with you more. The driver of the other car, should have never gotten out.

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Reply #11 posted 08/11/14 12:00pm

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shorttrini said:

kpowers said:

Stay in your car

I couldn't agree with you more. The driver of the other car, should have never gotten out.

Exactly. By getting out of his car he could of cause more car accidents putting other drivers in danger.

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Reply #12 posted 08/11/14 12:20pm

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TD3 said:

Dumb, sad, and tempers flaring way beyond the boiling point that has cost a young man his life.

Its been reported the track these men were racing on, is poorly lit. Even so, Stewart gunned his car. Were Stewart's intentions to blow a puff of wind or dirt on Ward as he passed? Maybe. Stewart may have not been able to see or judge how close Ward was to his car/back wheel. Ward I'm sure thought, drivers would take a defensive actions to avoid him too. As missfee said, totally horrific.



My initial reaction was the same as yours - Stewart gunned his car to scare Ward. My reaction was prompted in no small part by the initial comments in the story I read.

But after watching the video several times, I realized Stewart gunned his car AFTER he'd struck Ward. And the gunning of his car made his rear end move to the inside - AWAY from Ward. I believe now that Stewart's gunning was an attempt to miss Ward. I've read several accounts from dirt track racers who say what Stewart did is what you'd do to miss an obstruction on your right side (the side Ward was on).

Also, I agree about the lighting. But if Stewart couldn't see Ward, then how could he have known to gun it to spray him with dirt? As Stewart's car approaches Ward/Ward's car, you don't see Stewart in any kind of position to throw dirt at the car. And Stewart's rear end wasn't in the process of drifting to the right when it hit Ward.

Finally, look at where Ward was standing when he got hit. He was literally in the middle of the track. He wasn't up high, on the line where his car was. He was actually in the middle of the track.

Stewart was about 2 1/2 to 3 car lengths behind the car ahead of him. I doubt Stewart could see around that car, and I am sure the LAST thing Stewart expected to come up on was a man literally standing in the middle of the track.

Watch it a few times and see if you see it the way I do.

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[Edited 8/11/14 12:25pm]

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Reply #13 posted 08/11/14 1:30pm

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missfee said:

^^^^ eek eek eek Totally horrific. But we have to go back to basics here, Ward should have NEVER exited his car like that. Whether or not Stewart actually meant to hit him, I don't think one could determine that...but if Ward wasn't out there on the road, literally charging the car on foot, there wouldn't had been anyone to hit. Sad he died though. pray

No arguement there.

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Reply #14 posted 08/11/14 6:07pm

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RodeoSchro said:

TD3 said:

Dumb, sad, and tempers flaring way beyond the boiling point that has cost a young man his life.

Its been reported the track these men were racing on, is poorly lit. Even so, Stewart gunned his car. Were Stewart's intentions to blow a puff of wind or dirt on Ward as he passed? Maybe. Stewart may have not been able to see or judge how close Ward was to his car/back wheel. Ward I'm sure thought, drivers would take a defensive actions to avoid him too. As missfee said, totally horrific.



My initial reaction was the same as yours - Stewart gunned his car to scare Ward. My reaction was prompted in no small part by the initial comments in the story I read.

But after watching the video several times, I realized Stewart gunned his car AFTER he'd struck Ward. And the gunning of his car made his rear end move to the inside - AWAY from Ward. I believe now that Stewart's gunning was an attempt to miss Ward. I've read several accounts from dirt track racers who say what Stewart did is what you'd do to miss an obstruction on your right side (the side Ward was on).

Also, I agree about the lighting. But if Stewart couldn't see Ward, then how could he have known to gun it to spray him with dirt? As Stewart's car approaches Ward/Ward's car, you don't see Stewart in any kind of position to throw dirt at the car. And Stewart's rear end wasn't in the process of drifting to the right when it hit Ward.

Finally, look at where Ward was standing when he got hit. He was literally in the middle of the track. He wasn't up high, on the line where his car was. He was actually in the middle of the track.

Stewart was about 2 1/2 to 3 car lengths behind the car ahead of him. I doubt Stewart could see around that car, and I am sure the LAST thing Stewart expected to come up on was a man literally standing in the middle of the track.

Watch it a few times and see if you see it the way I do.

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[Edited 8/11/14 12:25pm]

I agree with your assesment RodeoS. I DON"T think Tony Stewart was trying to injure let alone kill anyone. My question is do they have any type of spotters like they do at a typical Nascar race. With the cars being built the way they are and the track poorly lit vision must be limited. I wonder what kind of driver/ pit crew communication they have going on at these type of races?

[Edited 8/11/14 18:39pm]

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Reply #15 posted 08/11/14 6:20pm

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Does anyone have any updates about NASCAR's claims that there's no audio or video (meaning dashcam and their radio) from the incident? I don't want to watch the youtube video at all but the dashcam video might be a critical piece of evidence that apparently hasn't surfaced (yet). Condolences to the other driver's family....

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Reply #16 posted 08/12/14 2:04am

ThisOne

I saw this on the news - still can't believe it!

Even though Stewart seems to have a bad temper I really don't think he could have stopped in time - there was another car in the way that would have obstructed his vision

RIP to the other young driver dove .
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Reply #17 posted 08/12/14 8:43am

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ThisOne said:

I saw this on the news - still can't believe it! Even though Stewart seems to have a bad temper I really don't think he could have stopped in time - there was another car in the way that would have obstructed his vision RIP to the other young driver dove .

I think we can't speculate, especially since the other driver's family is still grieving. But, it's not far-fetched to think that a person with a bad temper would lose their cool in this kind of situation. I don't want to watch the video but from what I have read, this seems like this could go either way.

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Reply #18 posted 08/12/14 10:34am

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They were replaying that video over & over & over at a restaurant that I was at on Sunday night.

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Reply #19 posted 08/12/14 10:43am

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They were replaying that video over & over & over at a restaurant that I was at on Sunday night.

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Yeah, I have avoided that video at all costs. The still shot that I saw of the guy on the track right when he got out of his car scared me enough.

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Reply #20 posted 08/13/14 1:38pm

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SeventeenDayze said:

PurpleJedi said:

They were replaying that video over & over & over at a restaurant that I was at on Sunday night.

disbelief

Yeah, I have avoided that video at all costs. The still shot that I saw of the guy on the track right when he got out of his car scared me enough.

It was not as bad as some of the beheading videos. The video of the Toronto killer I avoided.

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