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Thread started 04/03/14 4:48am

ThisOne

u can't have your cake and eat it 2

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not???????????????

after all it is my cake............. mad

that is the dumbest saying i have ever come accross!!!

if i have my cake what else am i supposed 2 do with it if i can't eat it????

what's the purpose of cake if i can't eat it????

Fuck u I want 2 eat my cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mad

yes i am eating my cake.... every crumb!!!!

foodnow

foodnow

so anyway............

in your opinion what is the bumbest saying ever???

and why????

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Reply #1 posted 04/03/14 5:40am

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LOL I think that all the time, it's dumb, I don't understand it. Why would a person have cake and not be able to eat it too

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Reply #2 posted 04/03/14 6:07am

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I always thought it was dumb too. It has been explained to me that it means you can’t physically hold on to your cake and also consume it. Once you eat it, it’s gone, so you no longer “have” your cake.

I think there are probably more apt analogies for not being able to have it both ways, but whatevs.

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Reply #3 posted 04/03/14 6:08am

RodeoSchro

How come they never say who baked the cake?!?!?!?!?!? Isn't THAT the real controversy????????

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Reply #4 posted 04/03/14 6:33am

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trick is to eat only one slice. that way, you can have your cake and eat it too

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Reply #5 posted 04/03/14 7:43am

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Reply #6 posted 04/03/14 8:17am

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CarrieMpls said:

I always thought it was dumb too. It has been explained to me that it means you can’t physically hold on to your cake and also consume it. Once you eat it, it’s gone, so you no longer “have” your cake.

I think there are probably more apt analogies for not being able to have it both ways, but whatevs.

it seems this is some kind of translation from translation from translation and so it ends at 'You can't have your cake...'

I agree, there are probably other analogies that are better at expessing this. But everyone uses it, from the smartest to the not so smart.

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Reply #7 posted 04/03/14 8:18am

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You can't have your cake and eat it (too) is a popular English idiomatic proverb or figure of speech.[1] Many people misunderstand the meanings of "have" and "eat" as used here but still understand the proverb in its entirety and intent and use it in this form. Some people feel this form of the proverb is incorrect and illogical and instead prefer "you can't eat your cake and have it (too)", which is in fact closer to the original form of the proverb[2] (see further explanations below) but very rare today. Other rare variants use "keep" instead of "have".[3]

The proverb literally means "you cannot both possess your cake and eat it", "you cannot eat the cake and keep it" or "you can't eat the cake and have it still". It can be used to say that one cannot or should not have or want more than one deserves or can handle, or that one cannot or should not try to have two incompatible things. The proverb's meaning is similar to the phrases "you can't have it both ways" and "you can't have the best of both worlds." Conversely, in the positive sense, it refers to "having it both ways" or "having the best of both worlds."

Having to choose whether to have or eat your cake illustrates the concept of trade-offs or opportunity cost.

An early recording of the phrase is in a letter on 14 March 1538 from Thomas, Duke of Norfolk to Thomas Cromwell, as "a man can not have his cake and eate his cake".[8]

The phrase occurs with the clauses reversed in John Heywood's "A dialogue Conteinyng the Nomber in Effect of All the Prouerbes in the Englishe Tongue" from 1546, as "wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?".[9] In John Davies' "Scourge of Folly" of 1611, the same order is used, as "A man cannot eat his cake and haue it stil."[10] In Jonathan Swift's 1738 farce "Polite Conversation", the character Lady Answerall says "she cannot eat her cake and have her cake."[11]

The order was reversed again in a posthumous adaptation of "Polite Conversation" in 1749, "Tittle Tattle; or, Taste A-la-Mode", as "And she cannot have her Cake and eat her Cake."[12][13][14] From 1812 (R. C. Knopf's "Document Transcriptions of War of 1812" (1959) VI. 204) is a modern-sounding recording as "We cannot have our cake and eat it too.

Paul Brians, Professor of English at Washington State University, points out that perhaps a more logical or easier to understand version of this saying is, "You can’t eat your cake and have it too." Professor Brians writes that a common source of confusion about this idiom stems from the verb to have which in this case indicates that once eaten, keeping possession of the cake is no longer possible, seeing that it is in your stomach (and no longer exists as a cake).[16]

Alternatively, the two verbs can be understood to represent a sequence of actions, so one can indeed "have" one's cake and then "eat" it. Consequently, the literal meaning of the reversed idiom doesn't match the metaphorical meaning. The phrase can also have specialized meaning in academic contexts; Classicist Katharina Volk of Columbia University has used the phrase to describe the development of poetic imagery in Latin didactic poetry, naming the principle behind the imagery's adoption and application the "have-one's-cake-and-eat-it-too principle".[17]

Albanian: (Te hysh ne uje e te mos lagesh) - To take a swim and not get wet. Hebrew: אי אפשר לאכול את העוגה ולהשאיר אותה שלמה‎ – you can't eat the cake and keep it whole. Turkish: Gülü seven dikenine katlanir. - If you like roses, you have to put up with the thorns.

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Reply #8 posted 04/03/14 10:32am

Steadwood

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I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing that...


...I mean...If a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...

...Why can't I have my cake and eat it?






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Reply #9 posted 04/03/14 10:56am

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"Not seeing the forest for the trees" is one that I don't really like.

It means one fails to see the bigger picture and focuses too much on the details, but I think half of the problems of the world stem from people not paying enough attention to details and then they wonder what went wrong. It goes both ways.

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Reply #10 posted 04/03/14 3:35pm

IheartCali

It's not really a saying but what does "evil knoking at the door" mean? Temptation?

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Reply #11 posted 04/03/14 4:14pm

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RodeoSchro said:

How come they never say who baked the cake?!?!?!?!?!? Isn't THAT the real controversy????????

and even if you leave your cake out in the room and you can never find the recipe again, HELLO!! google????

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Reply #12 posted 04/03/14 6:57pm

lust

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The real question is...

How can you make 8 equal slices of cake making just 3 cuts?

If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #13 posted 04/03/14 6:58pm

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^ and you get to have it OR eat as far as I'm concerned. It's none of my business. Smear it in your underpants and sit in a bean bag all day for all I care.

If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #14 posted 04/03/14 9:22pm

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You should share your cake.

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Reply #15 posted 04/04/14 5:38am

ThisOne

novabrkr said:

"Not seeing the forest for the trees" is one that I don't really like.

It means one fails to see the bigger picture and focuses too much on the details, but I think half of the problems of the world stem from people not paying enough attention to details and then they wonder what went wrong. It goes both ways.

every time i hear that i just think of pubic hair giggle

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Reply #16 posted 04/04/14 5:40am

ThisOne

IheartCali said:

It's not really a saying but what does "evil knoking at the door" mean? Temptation?

yep nod

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Reply #17 posted 04/04/14 5:41am

ThisOne

PurpleJedi said:

You should share your cake.

batting eyes

with or with out cream????

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Reply #18 posted 04/04/14 5:47am

ThisOne

luv4u said:

that song / music was aweful

it should b banned neutral

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Reply #19 posted 04/06/14 8:04pm

PurpleJedi

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ThisOne said:

PurpleJedi said:

You should share your cake.

batting eyes

with or with out cream????


lick

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Reply #20 posted 04/07/14 5:56am

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When people say, "I'm just saying."

No...ure not JUST saying. Unless ur a COMPLETE idiot...u have more than just ONE reason for saying something other than 'just saying it'. Ure trying a combination of changing opinion, informing, motivating, manipulating in any number of degrees and/or directions under the guise of 'simpleton-ess'. Ure not just uttering something for the simple fact of uttering it....EVER...so stop saying you are simply 'just saying' when u clearly aren't.
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Reply #21 posted 04/07/14 5:56am

BobGeorge909

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Oops
[Edited 4/7/14 5:57am]
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Reply #22 posted 04/09/14 7:13am

TrevorAyer

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[Edited 4/10/14 4:33am]

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Reply #23 posted 04/09/14 10:24am

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I understand what it means, there is nothing wrong with it.



What I hate is the statement "There is no such thing as truth!"

Truth is necessary.

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Reply #24 posted 04/09/14 9:51pm

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typing you can't have your computer and have privacy 2. cake
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Reply #25 posted 04/11/14 8:59am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I understand what it means, there is nothing wrong with it.



What I hate is the statement "There is no such thing as truth!"

Truth is necessary.



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