Now you're being reasonable. [Edited 2/4/14 14:48pm] My Legacy
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His death was not just tragic - it was senseless and above all, stupid. I think what happened was slightly selfish. I wish he would have worked harder with his addiction, though I am certain he worked extremely hard...having stayed supposedly clean for as long as he did. I don't think him moronic because of this. Fuck mike Tyson...addiction can be the toughest opponent one can have in the ring with them. I don't blame his dealers or drug culture either. Sometimes bad shit happens and Phil made a series of bad calls that allowed something to terrible to happen. I don't see the use of drugs in an absolute...that its always bad. Drugs have a time and place in this world...and they aren't 'always' and 'everywhere'. They are fun and can release stress if used appropriately... Unfortunately, people who tend toward addiction, loose site of what's appropriate through forces terribly difficult to control. The worlds gonna miss this wonderful, kind, generous, humble, very unmoronic person. Love ya dude....ure my favorite actor and helped bring to life stories that changed me as a person. And if I ever shart myself...I'll think of u. [Edited 2/4/14 21:08pm] | |
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Calling drug users morons was an unfair thing to say & it’s also just incorrect. It ignored all the reasons, the ‘why does that happen’ questions, that need to be considered when you look at why people do the things they do.
You’re now being reasonable & if you had said this initially I really wouldn’t have had any beef with you. I still disagree with you and I think your approach is wrong, & I think the experience of millions of people shows that your wrong, but you’re now in an area where we could have a reasonable debate. I can't have do that right now (14 hr work day ahead of me) but at least we could move past this side-issue that you created with your comment. | |
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New York (CNN) -- Four people thought to be connected to the drugs found in late actor Philip Seymour Hoffman's apartment were arrested late Tuesday night, law enforcement officials told CNN.
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people never learn ... stupid fucker knew the risk what an asshole. | |
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I am going to go on record with supporting the tough love approach. By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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I agree with what you're saying, but part of the reason I hate this whole "only morons use drugs" is that I have seen smart people make stupid decisions using that same logic. They think only dumb people get hooked and that they're too smart for that. I'm not talking about a needle in the arm, either, I am talking about people joking around saying "look at me, I'm smoking a cigarette HAHA!" My Legacy
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I see Rodeo's point. And to a big extent, I agree. Lots of people, be it MJ, Whitney, Ike, Elvis, Janis Joplin, Marvin, Richard Pryor, etc., they seem to think they can just do a drug and be okay and before they know it, they're a junkie. Since heroin is an opiate (like many prescription drugs are), it was easy for him to relapse because chemicals change your brain so you definitely will act moronic whenever you want a drug and do anything in your power to injure yourself so you can get it. Some drug addicts' motto is "I only got one life to live and I see nothing else for me so I'm just gonna see how far I can go before I can blow my brains out (on drugs)". Then some who manage to be sober (and don't relapse; i.e. Natalie Cole) will experience health problems that won't be easy to fix but that's because their brains and bodies have been reprogrammed where as soon as they think of drugs and alcohol, they try hard to fight the urge. For some, they manage to live without going back but others become lost and think "oh what's one toke gonna do? I'm not gonna be addicted" and then... either they become addicts again or, in the case of PSH, die almost immediately. Frankie Lymon was clean for a couple years before making that trip to New York to record a few comeback songs. Then he celebrated by buying heroin and dying of an overdose. Tough love sometimes gets through to addicts and others just further shove people away from their lives. | |
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Get over yourselves, we're all addicts. [Edited 2/5/14 16:12pm] | |
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Bowie, Jagger Sideman Reportedly Arrested in Hoffman Heroin DeathHeavenly Sweetness / Dominique Charriau, Getty Images
A session saxophonist who’s played on records by David Bowie, Mick Jagger and others has reportedly been arrested in connection with the heroin-related death of actor Philip Seymour Hoffman.
According to the New York Post, Robert Vineberg was arrested in a Manhattan drug den last night along with three other suspected dealers. Allegedly, the actor, who died of an overdose over the weekend, had purchased heroin from the suspects a while back. The New York Post notes that Vineberg records under the name Robert Aaron. According to his LinkedIn page, the New York City musician has played with Bowie (he’s listed on the credits of the ‘Let’s Dance’ album), Jagger (‘Goddess in the Doorway’), Blondie, Amy Winehouse and others. In 2010, he released a solo album called ‘Trouble Man.’ During a raid of three apartments last night, police reportedly found 350 envelopes containing what looked like heroin. While none of them had the Ace of Spades stamp found on the packets that were located near Hoffman’s body, a tip led police to the 57-year-old Vineberg and his associates. After the arrest, Vinegerg was asked if he sold heroin to Hoffman. “No, I did not,” he replied. The 46-year-old Hoffman, roundly credited as being one of the finest actors of his generation, was found Sunday morning, reportedly with a needle in his arm and more than 50 envelopes of heroin near his body. He relapsed a couple years ago after beating various addictions in his 20s. In addition to roles in ‘Moneyball,’ ‘The Big Lebowski’ and ‘Capote’ (for which he won an Oscar), Hoffman played music critic Lester Bangs in the 2000 movie ‘Almost Famous.’ Read More: Bowie, Jagger Sideman Rep...roin Death | http://ultimateclassicroc...ck=tsmclip Just Music-No Categories-Enjoy It! | |
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Philip Seymour Hoffman overdose death: 4 suspected heroin dealers arrestedPolice busted the foursome at a Mott St. apartment building, acting on a tip the heroin that killed Hoffman originated from the location. Officials also disclosed that the heroin found in Hoffman's apartment did not contain the pain reliever fentanyl, which has killed 22 people in Pennsylvania.By Kerry Burke , Rocco Parascandola , Nancy Dillon , Rich Schapiro AND Corky Siemaszko / NEW YORK DAILY NEWSPublished: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 11:32 AMUpdated: Wednesday, February 5, 2014, 1:12 PMDanny Moloshok/Invision/APPhilip Seymour Hoffman was found dead in his apartment Sunday morning of an apparent drug overdose.Cops Tuesday night busted three men and a woman in a downtown Manhattan apartment building who might have been suppliers of the heroin that killed Philip Seymour Hoffman.Acting on informants’ tips that the deadly drug originated from the Mott St. location, cops arrested the four suspected dealers — Thomas Cushman, 48; Robert Vineberg, 57; Juliana Luchkiw, 22; and Max Rosenblum, 22 — at around 7 p.m. and seized more than 350 bags of heroin from three apartments, police sources said.Police were not certain if those arrested actually sold the lethal heroin to Hoffman or if they are part of a larger drug distribution ring, the sources said.Max Rosenblum, 22, and his girlfriend, Juliana Luchkiw, 22, were among those arrested Tuesday and charged with misdemeanor drug possession following the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman.PHOTOS: PHILIP SEYMOUR HO...REMEMBEREDCushman, the only suspect who did not live in the building, was charged with misdemeanor possession. Rosenblum and Luchkiw, who were arrested in the same apartment, and Vineberg were booked on charges that include criminal use of paraphernalia and criminal possession of a controlled substance.They were all waiting to be arraigned on Wednesday.YouTubeRobert Aaron aka Robert Vineberg, 57, above, and Thomas Kushman, 48, not shown, were also arrested at 302 Mott St.Hoffman, 46, was found dead Sunday in his T-shirt and shorts with a needle in his left arm — and 70 baggies of heroin — in his $10,000-a-month apartment on Bethune St.A police source said investigators did preliminary testing of the heroin and detected no fentanyl, a powerful pain reliever. Heroin cut with fentanyl has killed 22 people in Pennsylvania.Alec Tabak for New York Daily NewsHaving been tipped off by informants as to the origin of the deadly drug that killed Hoffman, cops raided several apartments on Mott St.Testing will continue on the samples for other substances.Some of the baggies found in Hoffman’s apartment had “Ace of Spades” written on them, sources said. Others were stamped “Ace of Hearts.”RELATED: PHILIP SEYMOUR H...W IN LIMBOJeff Bachner/For New York Daily NewsPolice arrested four suspects Tuesday night and seized more than 350 bags of heroin following the actor's death.None of the heroin bags recovered from the rundown Nolita tenement building were marked “Ace of Hearts” or “Ace of Spades,” sources said.Police closed off Mott St. near Houston St. around 6 p.m. and a crowd of officers emerged with the four suspects around 9 p.m.All four suspected dealers lived in apartments on the fourth and fifth floors, said the building superintendent, who would only identify himself as Victor.New York Daily NewsThe body of 46-year-old Oscar-winneri is removed from his apartment Sunday.RELATED: PHILIP SEYMOUR H...ND AT HOME“They were quiet. They were not a problem,” the superintendent said, adding the suspects had lived in the building for two or three years.The suspects did draw a constant stream of people to the building, he said.Theo Wargo/Getty ImagesMimi O'Donnell (left) and Philip Seymour Hoffman at an October 2011 film premiere in New York City.“There was a lot of people in and out all the time,” he said. “I didn’t suspect drug traffic.”RELATED: ACTOR PHILIP SEY...N OVERDOSEForty to 50 cops descended on the building for the busts, according to a witness from the neighborhood. As police emerged with two handcuffed suspects, one officer said, “Philip Seymour Hoffman’s drug dealer lived here,” the witness claimed.Raymond Hall/FilmMagicMarilyn O'Connor, Hoffman's mom, leaves Mimi O' Donnell's home on Tueday.Hoffman was still wrestling with his demons a week before he died.Dogged by his heroin habit, the Oscar-winning actor showed up in search of moral support at the 8:30 p.m. Alcoholics Anonymous meeting Jan. 26 near his West Village apartment.RELATED: PHILIP SEYMOUR H...N TROUBLESJeff Bachner/for New York Daily NewsHoffman's brother Gordy (right) and their mom leave O'Donnell's home Tuesday night.Dressed in a heavy dark coat, dark jeans and boots, Hoffman was a familiar face at the storefront on Perry St. where he had been coming to meetings for 25 years. But he hadn’t been by in a while.“It’s good to see you,” another regular, 53-year-old Jose Torres of SoHo, recalled telling Hoffman.“He was doing fine at the moment. He didn’t look drunk or high or anything like that.”James Keivom/New York Daily NewsA man looks down at a makeshift memorial for Hoffman outside the building where he was found dead.PHOTOS: REMEMBERING PHILI...AND CAREERWhen the meeting was done, Torres said he told Hoffman, “Keep coming back.”“Yeah, I will,” Hoffman replied, he said.Brian Prahl/Rocke Splash NewsMimi O'Donnell (left) arrives at a funeral home with Isabella Wing-Davey, Hoffman's assistant, to make arrangements for the late actor.He did not keep that promise.RELATED: PHILIP SEYMOUR H...TAGE WORKThe night before Hoffman’s death, within the span of one hour, he made six withdrawals totaling $1,200 from the ATM just around the corner from his apartment at a D’Agostino supermarket on Greenwich St., sources said.oe Tabacca for New York Daily News; Jeff Bachner for New York Daily NewsPlaywright David Bar Katz (left) and Director Paul Thomas Anderson visit Philip Seymour Hoffman's residence Tuesday.There is no video of that, nor is there any footage to back the claims of a witness who told police Hoffman was talking with two men carrying messenger bags, sources said.Hoffman had been clean for 23 years when he fell off the wagon in 2013. His longtime partner and mother of their three children, Mimi O’Donnell, pushed him to get help.RELATED: PHILIP SEYMOUR H...OD REACTSAndrew Savulich / New York Daily News; Andrew Savulich / New York Daily NewsActors David Zayas and Ethan Hawke join mourners at Hoffman's West Village residence.“She clearly wanted him around, but she wanted him healthy,” a source close to the dead star said.Hoffman moved out of the Jane St. apartment they shared with their three kids — Cooper, Tallulah and Willa — and reluctantly went into rehab a year ago.“He was very quiet and shy when it came to talking about his problem,” the source said. “He was not this superconfident star.”New York Daily NewsEddie Donohoe said Philip Seymour Hoffman was a 'gentleman.' The two met when they attended Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.RELATED: PHILIP SEYMOUR H...GENERATIONWhen Hoffman got out of rehab in June, “he looked bad, puffy and pale,” said an artist who lives nearby.Dressed in a scruffy denim jacket, Hoffman by day sat on a bench outside the Kava Cafe on Washington St.; at night, he went to AA meetings.Joe Tabacca for New York Daily News; AKM-GSIBobby Cannavale and Justin Theroux were among the celebrities paying their respects Tuesday on Jane St.Then, about two months ago, Hoffman ditched sobriety and began hitting local bars — always drinking alone.By the time Hoffman showed up at the Sundance Film Festival in January for the premiere of his new movie “God’s Pocket,” friends said he looked more like a homeless man than a movie star.Joe Tabacca for New Yok Daily NewsJoaquin Phoenix and Eric Bogosian enter Mimi O'Donnell's residence on Tuesday.A little over three weeks later, Hoffman was dead.Since Sunday, a steady stream of celebrity friends have come by to console O’Donnell. On Tuesday, actor Joaquin Phoenix, whose brother River was also killed by drugs, showed up. So did Ethan Hawke, Eric Bogosian, Paul Anderson, David Zayas and Ewan McGregor.Hoffman was found dead Sunday morning by his friend, screenwriter David Bar Katz, who had gone over to check up on him.James Devaney/WireImagePhilip Seymour Hoffman with son Cooper at a New York Knicks game on Christmas.On his Facebook page, Katz posted an undated picture of a laughing Hoffman clutching a mug. "He is so beautiful," Katz wrote.His distraught mother, Marilyn O’Connor, left late Tuesday night, shielded from the press by his brother Gordy.A private funeral has been arranged for Friday. Plans are underway for a memorial service later in the month.Just Music-No Categories-Enjoy It! | |
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The dead actor looks like a certain orger. 2014-Year of the Parties | |
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Do most people kill(others)under the influence of hard drugs then die from it directly? Excluding prescription drugs,over the counter meds.
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This is what I read. "Anyone that tries drugs is a moron. No argument, no exceptions." And I just don't believe that. But I could possibly go with "drugs can make smart people act dumb sometimes" My Legacy
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r.i.p. mr. hoffman. [Edited 2/6/14 5:38am] | |
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And this was my point as well. Some drug users are morons no doubt, but there are lots of reasons why people do such things that have nothing to do with intelligence. People make mistakes, and they ought to be accountable for their mistakes, but they also should be judged fairly. [Edited 2/6/14 4:35am] | |
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Yeah the last thing I'd call a drug addict is an "idiot". It may be dumb but sometimes people do it for other reasons than stupidity. PSH was in pain most of his life. For a time he thought heroin was a cure, then he found acting. Last days of his life, heroin came creeping back to him and he couldn't control the urge anymore. Sad, sad, sad. | |
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Addictions come in many forms, drugs, food, hording. All are in common, in that they are not the best coping mechanisms. So, who's moronic now? Are over weight people moronic? No. they are not. They are people who suffer from lack of coping skills. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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What I think is really sad is when an older person who has known street drugs are dangerous his entire life and never messed with them when he was younger becomes addicted in middle age... A form of deliberate self-destruction from what I've seen... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Don't know if it's true but one of Joe Tex's record producers claimed that in the last five years of his life, he got involved with drugs and alcohol and died of a drug overdose while at his pool in 1982. He had been sober all his life beforehand. | |
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Mr. Hoffman was a rich addict. No need for him to rob, cheat or steal to get what he needed. He probably never hurt anyone to get his fix. Does this describe your average addict? Mr. Hoffman also appeared to live in a rich - or at the very least - a "well to do" neighborhood. There probably wasn't a turf war as a result of the drug dealing going on there. Does this describe your average street dealer's situation? All sorts of (what would seem to be preventable) issues/problems creep into one's life (innocent bystanders and others) when drugs become involved. It would truly be ideal if none of us ever got started, but that's not very realisitic. Also, I loved Mr. Hoffman in "Along Came Polly" (I hate to mention because he was such a serious actor). I hope this is readable - I have problems with my posts. If not......oh well, I tried! | |
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