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Timmy84

PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

April 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

Microsoft and Windows 8 are squarely blamed in a new report from top research firm IDC for a startling plunge in PC sales last quarter.

The firm said global PC sales suffered one of their steepest drops in decades over the past three months, the first full quarter since Windows 8 went on sale last fall.

Declines were expected since PC sales have fallen during the past year, and the leading manufacturers are casting about for new strategies. But the severity of the drop was unexpected and Microsoft’s radically new operating system is the most obvious target for blame.

Yet it’s still too early to write the PC’s epitaph. It will take another year or so to see whether Windows 8 is accepted by business users, who drive most PC sales.

The quarterly statistics are also an imperfect gauge of the evolution of the PC beyond laptops and desktops into tablets and other new devices. Research firms have made this more confusing by issuing contradictory reports, using different definitions of what’s a PC.

Gartner, the other major research firm tracking PC sales, simultaneously issued a report saying PC sales fell 11.2 percent during the quarter. It said PC shipments fell below 80 million units for the first time since the second quarter of 2009, in the depth of the recession.

IDC said sales in the U.S. fell 12.7 percent from the same period last year and 18.3 percent from the previous quarter. Global sales were down 13.9 percent, almost double the 7.7 percent drop the firm had predicted.

IDC doesn’t count Windows 8 tablets or laptops with detachable keyboards in its PC count. Research vice president Bob O’Donnell said including them would change the numbers by less than 2 percent.

Gartner’s report said consumers are continuing to “migrate content consumption” from PCs to other devices, such as phones and tablets, leading to a full year of declines in PC shipments. Yet the firm saw growth in business sales of PCs, which account for more than half the market.

Generally, even with the sharply declining numbers, people are still buying a lot of PCs. Gartner said 79.2 million systems were sold last quarter, while IDC said 76.3 million units were sold.

IDC’s report came with an unusually sharp critique of Microsoft and its approach with Windows 8.

“At this point, unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only failed to provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the market,” O’Donnell said in the IDC release. “While some consumers appreciate the new form factors and touch capabilities of Windows 8, the radical changes to the UI [user interface], removal of the familiar Start button and the costs associated with touch have made PCs a less attractive alternative to dedicated tablets and other competitive devices. Microsoft will have to make some very tough decisions moving forward if it wants to help reinvigorate the PC market.”

HP remained the top PC maker, but Lenovo closed the gap by holding sales steady while HP’s sales fell nearly 24 percent, according to IDC.

Tablets such as Apple’s iPad were partly to blame. Even sales of Apple PCs suffered from competition with iPads, IDC said in its release. O’Donnell said the cycle will continue, as tablets are going to see sales siphoned off by mega-sized phones or phablets.

Still, IDC research found that most consumers aren’t buying tablets to replace PCs, but to supplement their computers. They’re still interested in PCs but the strikingly different tiled interface of Windows 8 and the higher price of touchscreen PCs showcasing the system are keeping them away, O’Donnell said in an interview.

“While people like the general look and feel of the tiles, they’re also very confused and frustrated by the lack of start menu and spend a lot of their time in [traditional] desktop mode,” he said. “So the bottom line is I think they have created a situation where it’s very difficult for people and people who have a PC that works just fine are saying it’s confusing, it costs more money and I don’t really need it.”

O’Donnell said Microsoft isn’t entirely to blame. The economy still isn’t great, sales in China were particularly weak and reorganizations and strategy shifts at top PC vendors Dell and HP have created uncertainty, particularly for business customers.

But he and other IDC researchers believe the Redmond company must make changes to revive the industry built around its software.

“Although IDC had not expected Windows 8 to be a significant driver to help stem the tide of PC volume decline, it now appears that without a course correction from Microsoft, the PC market is headed toward an even worse contraction for 2013 than previously thought,” Jay Chou, senior research analyst on IDC’s quarterly PC tracking service, said in the release.

O’Donnell said he’s suggested to Microsoft that the company give Windows 8 users the option to make the traditional desktop the default setting, and restore the old fashioned “start” button, but he’s not counting on a change.

“I think this is the pride before the fall – because they are unwilling to make those changes, because it would show them as having given up or lost on their radical new vision,” he said.

Here is IDC’s ranking of the top PC vendors last quarter:

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Reply #1 posted 04/10/13 3:46pm

Cinny

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Windows 8 does look horrible.

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Reply #2 posted 04/10/13 3:51pm

Timmy84

Cinny said:

Windows 8 does look horrible.

I hate that Microsoft is trying to force XP users to switch to them because they didn't wanna continue putting out "security fixes". neutral

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Reply #3 posted 04/10/13 3:56pm

Cinny

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Timmy84 said:

Cinny said:

Windows 8 does look horrible.

I hate that Microsoft is trying to force XP users to switch to them because they didn't wanna continue putting out "security fixes". neutral

They are so busy trying to compete and "lead" that they overlook the wants of existing customers.

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Reply #4 posted 04/10/13 3:59pm

Timmy84

Cinny said:

Timmy84 said:

I hate that Microsoft is trying to force XP users to switch to them because they didn't wanna continue putting out "security fixes". neutral

They are so busy trying to compete and "lead" that they overlook the wants of existing customers.

That's what sucks about it. They just say it's business but they don't even realize that the choices they offer don't do much. And they wonder why folks don't "upgrade".

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Reply #5 posted 04/10/13 4:20pm

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I dont know anyone who has updated to windows 8.

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Reply #6 posted 04/10/13 4:32pm

JoeTyler

Windows 8 stinks

pointless at best

Windows should stick to truly STRONG versions of the main program every 5-6 years, focusing on useful updates and packs

[Edited 4/10/13 16:33pm]

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Reply #7 posted 04/10/13 4:34pm

Timmy84

JoeTyler said:

Windows 8 stinks

pointless at best

Windows should stick to truly STRONG versions of the main program every 5-6 years, focusing on useful updates and packs

[Edited 4/10/13 16:33pm]

Right. It ain't like adding five more years to supporting older Windows forms (not just XP but 2000 and 98 perhaps) is gonna HURT the company. bored2

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Reply #8 posted 04/10/13 4:34pm

Timmy84

lazycrockett said:

I dont know anyone who has updated to windows 8.

They're smart folks lol

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Reply #9 posted 04/10/13 4:42pm

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I bought a new PC in December not really giving two shites about 8... DUMBEST.GUI.EVER.

I don't get it... I click on the tile to open Chrome, for example... rather than Chrome just popping open the way you'd expect in this app based age, NO!, 8 has to fallback to the traditional windows desktop, pause, and then launch Chrome... omfg

It's so counter-intuitive!! Also, trying to navigate this "new world" is maddening... As winD'ohs veterans we all love the control panel but try to find it conveniently in 8, it's ridiculous!!!

8 sucks!!

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Reply #10 posted 04/10/13 4:44pm

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RenHoek said:

I bought a new PC in December not really giving two shites about 8... DUMBEST.GUI.EVER.

I don't get it... I click on the tile to open Chrome, for example... rather than Chrome just popping open the way you'd expect in this app based age, NO!, 8 has to fallback to the traditional windows desktop, pause, and then launch Chrome... omfg

It's so counter-intuitive!! Also, trying to navigate this "new world" is maddening... As winD'ohs veterans we all love the control panel but try to find it conveniently in 8, it's ridiculous!!!

8 sucks!!

preach!!

I only needed like 15 min to make the transition from XP to Win7

but Win8 was a f joke, I tested for free during an hour and it was a miserable experience

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Reply #11 posted 04/10/13 5:11pm

Timmy84

RenHoek said:

I bought a new PC in December not really giving two shites about 8... DUMBEST.GUI.EVER.

I don't get it... I click on the tile to open Chrome, for example... rather than Chrome just popping open the way you'd expect in this app based age, NO!, 8 has to fallback to the traditional windows desktop, pause, and then launch Chrome... omfg

It's so counter-intuitive!! Also, trying to navigate this "new world" is maddening... As winD'ohs veterans we all love the control panel but try to find it conveniently in 8, it's ridiculous!!!

8 sucks!!

Hahaha... Bill Gates needs to get off on whatever he's on and admit his experimentations are sometimes bullshit...

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Reply #12 posted 04/10/13 5:26pm

tinaz

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My mom got a new computer with 8 on it.. it sucks!! BAD!! I totally HATE it! She hates it as well. When she asks me to come over and help her solve computer issues I cringe..

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Reply #13 posted 04/10/13 5:52pm

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Damn, glad I bought a new one with Windows 7 right before they launched 8... Everyone I've talked to hates it... lol

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Reply #14 posted 04/10/13 6:05pm

Timmy84

purplethunder3121 said:

Damn, glad I bought a new one with Windows 7 right before they launched 8... Everyone I've talked to hates it... lol

As usual, Microsoft prejudges their audience on what they think they might enjoy and fail big time all the time! lol

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Reply #15 posted 04/10/13 6:07pm

728huey

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I know Windows 8 has its issues, but this article sounds like a hit piece written by a Miscrosft hater. mad crash There's a lot to dislike about Windows and Microsoft in general, but that's not the main reason why PC sales are going down.

The main reason is people are migrating to tablets and smartphones to do their online tasks that they used to need to fire up the PC or laptop to do in the past. The whole allure of the PC about ten years ago was to get on the internet, but now that people can surf the web, send emails, and social network from their tablets and smartphones, they don't need to use a PC except for work-related stuff. TheIPad is the still the most popular tablet, but the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet made tablet PC's affordable to the masses, so people are migrating even faster to these devices.

In addition, the iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 are as powerful as many laptops were five years ago, but it can fit in your pocket and/or purse and you can take it anywhere you have cell phone or wi-fi connections. The PC is not going to die anytime soon, but it will revert back to being a device for work applications at the office or factory.

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Reply #16 posted 04/10/13 6:10pm

Timmy84

728huey said:

I know Windows 8 has its issues, but this article sounds like a hit piece written by a Miscrosft hater. mad crash There's a lot to dislike about Windows and Microsoft in general, but that's not the main reason why PC sales are going down.

The main reason is people are migrating to tablets and smartphones to do their online tasks that they used to need to fire up the PC or laptop to do in the past. The whole allure of the PC about ten years ago was to get on the internet, but now that people can surf the web, send emails, and social network from their tablets and smartphones, they don't need to use a PC except for work-related stuff. TheIPad is the still the most popular tablet, but the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet made tablet PC's affordable to the masses, so people are migrating even faster to these devices.

In addition, the iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 are as powerful as many laptops were five years ago, but it can fit in your pocket and/or purse and you can take it anywhere you have cell phone or wi-fi connections. The PC is not going to die anytime soon, but it will revert back to being a device for work applications at the office or factory.

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But I bet a lot of folks hate the shit out of Windows 8. Microsoft has a lot of shit to be hated on anyways. I still use it though because it's cheaper. lol

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Reply #17 posted 04/10/13 6:11pm

Nikademus

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I just built a computer a couple months back, and I put Windows 7 on it. I'm not touching Windows 8 if I can help it, I've heard way more bad things than good things about it.

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Reply #18 posted 04/10/13 6:36pm

TD3

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Bad, bad, bad. disbelief

As many of you know I purchased a HP Envy notebook and returned it for a refund. Switching back in-forth from the Metro (I don't think they call it that anymore) to the desktop, having your curser move to the edge of the page unknowingly and realizing you've clicked on and open or closed a program you hadn't attended to use. Windows 8, is a convoluted mess, the touchscreen is useless on a notebook. Besides, you can't run or download Linux live with Windows "Secure Boot" software. A company worried about software used by 2% of the World's population. I'll stick with XP /7 and in the future, I'll build my own PC's for Linux distro's.

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Reply #19 posted 04/10/13 6:55pm

Timmy84

TD3 said:

Bad, bad, bad. disbelief

As many of you know I purchased a HP Envy notebook and returned it for a refund. Switching back in-forth from the Metro (I don't think they call it that anymore) to the desktop, having your curser move to the edge of the page unknowingly and realizing you've clicked on and open or closed a program you hadn't attended to use. Windows 8, is a convoluted mess, the touchscreen is useless on a notebook. Besides, you can't run or download Linux live with Windows "Secure Boot" software. A company worried about software used by 2% of the World's population. I'll stick with XP /7 and in the future, I'll build my own PC's for Linux distro's.

I just wish people in these corporations have a heart (and a brain) before forcing us to use their bullshit that they know is bullshit but they wanna pass it to us... and they wonder why people move on to Macs and cell phones and tablets and shit.

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Reply #20 posted 04/10/13 6:57pm

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I can TOTALLY see that the 8 GUI is designed for touch screen use, no question. Ironically, I don't need/want a touch screen on my desktop...

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Reply #21 posted 04/10/13 7:04pm

Timmy84

RenHoek said:

I can TOTALLY see that the 8 GUI is designed for touch screen use, no question. Ironically, I don't need/want a touch screen on my desktop...

This is what competition will do to you. They should just make Windows 8 applicable on just phones and leave XP/7 for the PCs and laptops.

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Reply #22 posted 04/10/13 7:23pm

TD3

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Timmy84 said:

RenHoek said:

I can TOTALLY see that the 8 GUI is designed for touch screen use, no question. Ironically, I don't need/want a touch screen on my desktop...

This is what competition will do to you. They should just make Windows 8 applicable on just phones and leave XP/7 for the PCs and laptops.

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Microsoft called themselves being, INNOVATIVE. confused

Microsoft does what it does because they have a monopoly, for now. MS pretty much shoves shit down the consumer'ss throat because there's not much recourse... save from not purchasing their product or having "the enterprise" stick with the last OS. Tony and others keep touting the advantages of Linux but many are not listening. geek

lol

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Reply #23 posted 04/10/13 7:54pm

728huey

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TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

This is what competition will do to you. They should just make Windows 8 applicable on just phones and leave XP/7 for the PCs and laptops.

[Edited 4/10/13 19:05pm]

Microsoft called themselves being, INNOVATIVE. confused

Microsoft does what it does because they have a monopoly, for now. MS pretty much shoves shit down the consumer'ss throat because there's not much recourse... save from not purchasing their product or having "the enterprise" stick with the last OS. Tony and others keep touting the advantages of Linux but not many are not listening. geek

lol

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I agree with you to a point. Microsoft forced Vista on people because they could, and it was a piece of crap. With Windows 7, they realized they messed up with Vista and took out the crappiest parts and came up with a pretty decent OS, but they still could basically force their OS down everybody's throats.

Windows 8, however, is purely a reaction to Apple and Google taking over the tablet and smartphone markets, and Microsoft felt they had to do something before they were left in the dust. I think Win8 is absolutely amazing for their phones and Surface tablet, but they tried to shoehorn the OS into their PCs when it wasn't necessary. Instead of putting the Metro interface across all hardware devices, they needed to split it so the OS could be standard on phones and tablets yet customized for PC and laptop users.

typing

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Reply #24 posted 04/10/13 7:58pm

imago

I think blaming Microsoft Windows 8 is a bit strange because people do have a choice of OS; and, Windows 7 was considered solid.

I think what we're seeing is exactly what Steve Jobs predicted--a movement towards a world in

which the PC one in a number of devices that allow us to interact with 'the world'. Tablets,

cellphones and other devices are being bought to function in place of the PC in many instances,

and this will accellerate for all except those who need certain functions (or resist change).



Microsoft probably does deserve some of the blame. Windows 8 STILL will have the problem

with .dll hell, and it still has a registry that can be hacked. Application isolation (encapsulation)

is a bandaide. They're throwing the new coats of paint on the same rickety house.

I find this really, really odd because Apple isn't any more capable than MS is. Don't get

me wrong--I love my Apple products more than I have ever loved anything by competing

software and hardwar makers. But, Microsoft is highly capable of writing an OS from

the ground up for the current day and age. It's developers are extremely good at

what they do ( I know this, because the developers at my company--a major financial

firm--could not figure something out and we shipped a team of them to help us. The

MS team resolved the issue in half a day, what we couldn't figure out in weeks.)
But, instead of a new OS--a truly new OS--they've played it very conservative and

are pumping out half-baked nonsense like Vista, 7, and 8. These are essentially Windows

2000 (which was essentially Windows NT) with service packs. They need to throw

the baby out with the bathwater. They're highly capable of doing it.


Although I enjoy seeing them humbled these days. I mean, what they did to Novell

was a crime. Edirectory and Zenworks still blows the MS Active Directory/SMS nonsense

out of the water.

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Reply #25 posted 04/10/13 8:14pm

TD3

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728huey said:

TD3 said:

Microsoft called themselves being, INNOVATIVE. confused

Microsoft does what it does because they have a monopoly, for now. MS pretty much shoves shit down the consumers' throat because there's not much recourse... save from not purchasing their product or having "the enterprise" stick with the last OS. Tony and others keep touting the advantages of Linux but not many are not listening. geek

lol

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I agree with you to a point. Microsoft forced Vista on people because they could, and it was a piece of crap. With Windows 7, they realized they messed up with Vista and took out the crappiest parts and came up with a pretty decent OS, but they still could basically force their OS down everybody's throats.

Windows 8, however, is purely a reaction to Apple and Google taking over the tablet and smartphone markets, and Microsoft felt they had to do something before they were left in the dust. I think Win8 is absolutely amazing for their phones and Surface tablet, but they tried to shoehorn the OS into their PCs when it wasn't necessary. Instead of putting the Metro interface across all hardware devices, they needed to split it so the OS could be standard on phones and tablets yet customized for PC and laptop users.

typing

I've yet to try Windows tablet. I can state for a fact, I'll never use their smartphone, I'm plugged in to the Apple's echo system. Trying to create some type of synergy between tablet/smartphone, and PC has been a disaster. I don't know to many companies large are small who have the time or funds to retrain their employees. Above all the damn OS is time consuming. Hell, I spent half of my time click and switching back and forth from screens and the search window, what a joke. If you were looking for an application typing into that damn thing on the right hand side... more often than not what I was looking for didn't pop up so I had to look up the file not the folder mind you, but a file amongst a list of apps or was that files?

confused

I hope they put back the start button and stopped the unnecessary steps to shut down the computer. I don't have an issue with change or shacking things up but please make logically productive choices. Don't design some shit just because its different. The guy behind Windows 8 was shown the door a couple of weeks after its debut... I wonder why?

What I'm really waiting for is a Linux Distro to get up off their butts and make a tablet.

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Reply #26 posted 04/10/13 8:29pm

TD3

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Here's the same prospective from the NYT.

PC Sales Still in a Slump, Despite New Offerings

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Reply #27 posted 04/11/13 6:43am

TD3

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imago said:

I think blaming Microsoft Windows 8 is a bit strange because people do have a choice of OS; and, Windows 7 was considered solid.

I think what we're seeing is exactly what Steve Jobs predicted--a movement towards a world in

which the PC one in a number of devices that allow us to interact with 'the world'. Tablets,

cellphones and other devices are being bought to function in place of the PC in many instances,

and this will accelerate for all except those who need certain functions (or resist change).



Microsoft probably does deserve some of the blame. Windows 8 STILL will have the problem

with .dll hell, and it still has a registry that can be hacked. Application isolation (encapsulation)

is a band-aide? They're throwing the new coats of paint on the same rickety house.

I find this really, really odd because Apple isn't any more capable than MS is. Don't get

me wrong--I love my Apple products more than I have ever loved anything by competing

Software and hardware makers. But, Microsoft is highly capable of writing an OS from

the ground up for the current day and age. It's developers are extremely good at

what they do ( I know this, because the developers at my company--a major financial

firm--could not figure something out and we shipped a team of them to help us. The

MS team resolved the issue in half a day, what we couldn't figure out in weeks.)
But, instead of a new OS--a truly new OS--they've played it very conservative and

are pumping out half-baked nonsense like Vista, 7, and 8. These are essentially Windows

2000 (which was essentially Windows NT) with service packs. They need to throw

the baby out with the bathwater. They're highly capable of doing it.


Although I enjoy seeing them humbled these days. I mean, what they did to Novell

was a crime. Edirectory and Zenworks still blows the MS Active Directory/SMS nonsense

out of the water.

Does Microsoft really want to build an OS from the ground up? That is the question.... hmmm

I think Microsoft has fallen into the same trap as other company/industries who dominate or once dominated their respective field(s)... they become more interested in kicking the can down the road. Microsoft has become protective of their product because it's their cash cow. Why should they bother to create or be innovative when they are essential still the only game in town? Hubris and ego tells them they can dictate the terms to which we the consumer will have to work with their product... whether or not it works for us. The US Car industry, US Steel industry, Sony Inc, Xerox all did what Microsoft is doing now.

Needless to say Microsoft isn't in dire straights but Apple, Samsung, and others are nipping at their heals and are forcing them to shift in ways they didn't count on. How will MS react and plan to compete, and still continue to be a force in computer/electronic business? I've heard good things about Windows 8 tablet though... but Windows 8 /touch screen PC is a disaster.


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Reply #28 posted 04/11/13 6:48am

Timmy84

Microsoft may have been real smart years ago - XP is probably their best creation - but they've since fucked up with Vista and now with 8. They redeemed themselves with 7 judging from consumers' views of that OS.

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Reply #29 posted 04/11/13 7:35am

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Most are not buying Pc's anymore because of the Smartphones & Ipads. They can blame it on Windows8 if they want to. Smartphones are the new PC..

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