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PurpleJedi

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The Most Heartbreaking story of the storm...

This story is the worst I've heard so far.

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Bodies of 2 missing NYC boys found

NEW YORK (AP) — The bodies of two boys who were separated from their frantic mother at the height of Superstorm Sandy by the force of rising water were found Thursday in a marshy area at the end of a street, authorities said.

Two-year-old Brandon Moore and 4-year-old Connor Moore were swiped into swirling waters as their mother tried to escape her SUV on Monday amid rushing waters that caused the vehicle to stall, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said as he announced the discovery of the bodies.

Police said the mother, Glenda Moore, was going to her sister's home in Brooklyn when she tried to flee the vehicle with the boys, only to have the force of the rising water and the relentless cadence of pounding waves rip their small arms from her.

Kelly said the mother "was totally, completely distraught. She started looking for them herself, asking people to help her look."

The search continued in the days that followed, with numerous emergency personnel joining the march through Staten Island marshland. The bodies were found about 100 feet from each other at the end of a narrow dead end street.

"Terrible, absolutely terrible," Kelly said. "It just compounds all the tragic aspects of this horrific event."

Police said 19 of the 38 people believed to have died in the storm were found on Staten Island.

Those identified on Thursday included the bodies of a couple who apparently drove away from their Staten Island home as the storm struck.

The 89-year-old man and 66-year-old woman were found lying next to a car in a vacant lot. Police believe they drowned after climbing out to escape rising water.

Authorities stressed that the death toll was preliminary, and that the total could change if the medical examiner determines any deaths were not storm-related.

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Reply #1 posted 11/02/12 4:40pm

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Their father was a childhood friend when I spent my summers in Donegal.

I only heard of this tragedy just a couple of hours ago and my heart is broken.

May the boys Rest In Peace and may their family find Peace

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Reply #2 posted 11/02/12 6:17pm

PurpleJedi

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jfrost said:

Their father was a childhood friend when I spent my summers in Donegal.

I only heard of this tragedy just a couple of hours ago and my heart is broken.

May the boys Rest In Peace and may their family find Peace

rose

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I can't even BEGIN to imagine what this mother went through, seeing her two angels get swept away from her arms into the current.

Made me hug my kids.

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Reply #3 posted 11/02/12 7:24pm

JustErin

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I heard on the news this morning that this poor women went to a house begging to be let in with her kinds and the guy refused to help her.

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Reply #4 posted 11/02/12 9:34pm

Timmy84

Can I just say that I'm deeply pissed off at how the situation is being handled?

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Reply #5 posted 11/02/12 9:54pm

nursev

Truly sad rose

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Reply #6 posted 11/02/12 10:21pm

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sigh

If what was reported about her struggle is true, then those babies never had a chance. cry She is lucky to be alive herself. My heart breaks for her. Simply horrible.

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Reply #7 posted 11/02/12 11:31pm

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sad rose rose

There's a video here from CNN...they interview the man. He actually said, "She shouldn't have been outside." confused

http://www.theatlanticwir...dy/58627/#

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Reply #8 posted 11/03/12 2:27am

ThisOne

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so sad sad

rose dove rip baby boys

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Reply #9 posted 11/03/12 4:30am

MacDaddy

This breaks my heart

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Reply #10 posted 11/03/12 8:32am

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noimageatall said:

sad rose rose

There's a video here from CNN...they interview the man. He actually said, "She shouldn't have been outside." confused

http://www.theatlanticwir...dy/58627/#

I saw it and it was obvious that he was lying about what happened.

Those poor babies... sad

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Reply #11 posted 11/03/12 9:13am

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Very tragic, and completely preventable. Residents were ordered to evacuate days before the storm came ashore, but some didn't think it was necessary until it was too late. disbelief

RIP boys rose rose

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Reply #12 posted 11/03/12 11:08am

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Pokeno4Money said:

Very tragic, and completely preventable. Residents were ordered to evacuate days before the storm came ashore, but some didn't think it was necessary until it was too late. disbelief

RIP boys rose rose

It DOES NOT MATTER if she didn't evacuate in time. mad We don't know what extenuating circumstances were involved. Maybe she had no gas money. Maybe the boys were with someone else and she had to go get them. Maybe anything...That asshole was still there too. Let me just say again, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY SHE WAS THERE. He should have helped her. That's ALL!

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Reply #13 posted 11/03/12 11:15am

Shyra

babynoz said:

noimageatall said:

sad rose rose

There's a video here from CNN...they interview the man. He actually said, "She shouldn't have been outside." confused

http://www.theatlanticwir...dy/58627/#

I saw it and it was obvious that he was lying about what happened.

Those poor babies... sad

At first I had doubts about the woman's claim about trying to break in the man's house, but when he confirmed the story but said it was a man, it was clear he was lying through his teeth. He was stumbling all over his words. Classic sign of lying.

I hate to bring this up, but I wonder if the woman and children had been white, would he have opened the door.

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Reply #14 posted 11/03/12 11:28am

Shyra

PLUS, when he said, "What could I do? I'm not an EMS worker! She shouldn't have been out." Tells you right there that he's a heartless fuck. The reporter should have asked him, "How would you have reacted if you found yourself in her position? How would you feel if someone refused to help your children in the face of death?"

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Reply #15 posted 11/03/12 12:13pm

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Shyra said:

PLUS, when he said, "What could I do? I'm not an EMS worker! She shouldn't have been out." Tells you right there that he's a heartless fuck. The reporter should have asked him, "How would you have reacted if you found yourself in her position? How would you feel if someone refused to help your children in the face of death?"

Exactly!

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Reply #16 posted 11/03/12 2:11pm

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There is no way she should be alive, I saw the tide swells raging up where I live and there is no f-ing way I would go near the shore, Boston wasn't even in the path of hurricane Sandy.... let alone try to navigate and swim in a flood path!! To try to swim against it holding two babies, it is a sheer miracle that mother is alive at all. eek

I will not judge why anyone would stay in a flood zone, nor would I judge any person who will not help in that situation.

I would like to believe, that guy (and others) thought it was already too late to help those babies, and I thought the same as soon as I heard that story. It is just a horrific turn of events that unfolded and no one should be blamed for what happenes during such a crisis.

It is not for us to say... we simply were not there. bheart rose

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Reply #17 posted 11/04/12 6:45am

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I'd like to mention that it's been 27 years since anything even REMOTELY close to this hit this area (hurricane Gloria)...and even then we didn't see the type of devastation we're seeing now.

People around here (for the most part) simply don't have that "hurricane" mindset. For the most part we buy candles, we buy batteries, we buy bottled water, and prepare for an inconvenience.

The fact that Mayor Bloomberg issued a mandatory evacuation order 24hrs before the storm was supposed to hit (for Zone A areas of the 5 boroughs) was taken by many people as being "over the top".

I have a co-worker who lives/lived in Howard Beach. That's the south shore of Queens in a Zone A flood area. Typical of a tough New Yorker, she ignored the evacuation order and even though she's older and asthmatic, was prepared to wait it out. She's dealt with plenty of flooding before.

However, her 1st floor apartment flooded with FIVE FEET OF WATER. (That's 1.54 meters)

Fortunately her kids threatened her with who-knows-what and badgered her until she finally agreed to evacuate before the storm hit. IF NOT, she'd probably be a casualty today. She lost everything, but she's alive.

So yes, this mother should not have been there. We don't know exactly why she tried to wait it out until the very last minute.

But you can be assured that this loss - her two angels being ripped out of her arms and drowned in a horrific death - is something that she will be tortured with for the rest of her life.

I pray that she finds the strength to move forward.

pray

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Reply #18 posted 11/04/12 7:04am

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noimageatall said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Very tragic, and completely preventable. Residents were ordered to evacuate days before the storm came ashore, but some didn't think it was necessary until it was too late. disbelief

RIP boys rose rose

It DOES NOT MATTER if she didn't evacuate in time. mad We don't know what extenuating circumstances were involved. Maybe she had no gas money. Maybe the boys were with someone else and she had to go get them. Maybe anything...That asshole was still there too. Let me just say again, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY SHE WAS THERE. He should have helped her. That's ALL!

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I think you're mixing two different issues here. I completely agree the guy should have let her in his house, no matter the reason why she was outside in the storm. I don't believe in punishing people for making mistakes, especially when children are also involved.

When you say "it doesn't matter if she didn't evacuate in time", I hope you meant that it's not an excuse for the guy to refuse letting her in his house. Again I completely agree the guy should have let her in his house, no matter what.

But you can't tell me that she isn't going to live the rest of her life with regret, knowing that she should have evacuated sooner, unless she is not of sound mind. As many people have pointed out, it's usually only the elderly and the "wackos" that stay behind in the path of a deadly storm when they know the storm is coming. These people not only endanger themselves, they endanger those that may wind up trying to rescue them.

If the woman is of sound mind, then she undoubtedly made the mistake of assuming the storm wouldn't be as bad as predicted. Everybody knew about it for several days, and it was a very slow moving storm. It's not like it came ashore quickly and unexpectedly.

She willfully stayed in her home until her house lost power and became flooded, only then did she decide to leave in her SUV (which obviously had gas, otherwise she wouldn't have left in it). Facts are facts, there were plenty of people willing and able to help her evacuate before the storm hit, and she even had a familiar place to go - her relative's house in Brooklyn.

People need to realize, you don't take chances when it comes to major storms that are forecast - ESPECIALLY when you're responsible for the safety of others such as children. I know the attitude that some people always have with storms, "Oh it's just a bunch of hype. Forecasters are usually wrong, they predicted 3 major storms over the past couple months and all of them either went in a different direction or turned out to be nothing". Well there's a wise saying that goes "Better safe than sorry". Even if the forecasters are usually wrong 4 out of 5 times, it's not worth risking the chance that the 5th time they'll be right.

So while my heart goes out to that woman for her loss, and I'm angry at that guy for not letting her in, I'm also disappointed that she made a poor decision which put herself and her children in jeopardy. Parents should always put the safety of their children first, always.

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Reply #19 posted 11/04/12 7:19am

Fonkyman

I've seen bits of it on the news and none of it's looked pretty.

Hold tight Jedi and anyone else out there. What a nightmare.

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Reply #20 posted 11/04/12 7:51am

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Pokeno4Money said:

noimageatall said:

It DOES NOT MATTER if she didn't evacuate in time. mad We don't know what extenuating circumstances were involved. Maybe she had no gas money. Maybe the boys were with someone else and she had to go get them. Maybe anything...That asshole was still there too. Let me just say again, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY SHE WAS THERE. He should have helped her. That's ALL!

[Edited 11/3/12 11:29am]

I think you're mixing two different issues here. I completely agree the guy should have let her in his house, no matter the reason why she was outside in the storm. I don't believe in punishing people for making mistakes, especially when children are also involved.

When you say "it doesn't matter if she didn't evacuate in time", I hope you meant that it's not an excuse for the guy to refuse letting her in his house. Again I completely agree the guy should have let her in his house, no matter what.

But you can't tell me that she isn't going to live the rest of her life with regret, knowing that she should have evacuated sooner, unless she is not of sound mind. As many people have pointed out, it's usually only the elderly and the "wackos" that stay behind in the path of a deadly storm when they know the storm is coming. These people not only endanger themselves, they endanger those that may wind up trying to rescue them.

If the woman is of sound mind, then she undoubtedly made the mistake of assuming the storm wouldn't be as bad as predicted. Everybody knew about it for several days, and it was a very slow moving storm. It's not like it came ashore quickly and unexpectedly.

She willfully stayed in her home until her house lost power and became flooded, only then did she decide to leave in her SUV (which obviously had gas, otherwise she wouldn't have left in it). Facts are facts, there were plenty of people willing and able to help her evacuate before the storm hit, and she even had a familiar place to go - her relative's house in Brooklyn.

People need to realize, you don't take chances when it comes to major storms that are forecast - ESPECIALLY when you're responsible for the safety of others such as children. I know the attitude that some people always have with storms, "Oh it's just a bunch of hype. Forecasters are usually wrong, they predicted 3 major storms over the past couple months and all of them either went in a different direction or turned out to be nothing". Well there's a wise saying that goes "Better safe than sorry". Even if the forecasters are usually wrong 4 out of 5 times, it's not worth risking the chance that the 5th time they'll be right.

So while my heart goes out to that woman for her loss, and I'm angry at that guy for not letting her in, I'm also disappointed that she made a poor decision which put herself and her children in jeopardy. Parents should always put the safety of their children first, always.

nod Agree with your whole post especially the last part. Upon hearing the story before they found these babies' bodies, the only thing that went through my mind was, 'Why did you try to leave DURING the storm?' I'm sorry but I'm going to call that decision exactly what it is: 'A damn stupid one'. After reading this current story, the only thing going through my mind was, 'Where was her hubby during this failed escape?' Maybe the two of them together may have been able to save their sons but even that could have had the same end results. sad It's an extremely heartbreaking situation but it was totally preventable regardless of how tragic it was. Even if the waters were rising in her home, there should be an attic to run to before going outside. There's a documentary called 'Trouble The Water' about Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans.

They got lucky to get out of Katrina alive but I definitely think they should have tried to figure out a way to leave before the storm. Nothing material is worth risking your life for especially when there are children involved in the equation.

NOBODY residing near any water that was in Sandy's path should have tried challenging the power of Mother Nature; not even the guy who refused to let her into his home. Those babies should still be here but an extremely bad judgment call proved fatal. sad

I've read 2 other very sad stories of people either trying to escape during the storm or going outside while it was happening. One was about an elderly couple trying to escape their home as it flooded. They found their bodies by their car - drowned from the waters that overtook them. Another story is of a Congressman, whose name was still on the current ballot 4 days after the storm. He and his wife decided to go outside during the storm to survey any problematic trees. A tree came down and fell on him killing him instantly but missing his wife by a few feet. Do I feel sorry for people who think they are invincible? I really do try but it's very hard for me to feel sorry for those who lack common sense. If you are told to evacuate; you evacuate and if you have babies you damn sure should listen for their sakes because losing a house with all your worldly possessions is devastating but losing your loved ones who are irreplaceable is soul crushing. cry

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Reply #21 posted 11/04/12 8:46am

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very sad. I knew they were gone when I heard they were missing a few days ago.

When I was 10 the small island I lived on flooded. And a lady from the school I attended was asked to drive me home! IN THE FLOOD! (as opposed to riding the storm out at the school/church/paster's house)

Well she drops me off about a half mile from my house and I am walking in chest high water! We lived on a canal, as I got closer to my home I could feel the water current getting faster and faster! Lucky for me I thought of walking across the lawns of the houses, as they were all a little elevated... so I made it home... but when I got in and dried off and changed I looked out the window and at the street next to our house that lead to the canal and it was like a white water torrent! There were shopping carts and a few dumpsters and even being pushed into the canal.

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Reply #22 posted 11/04/12 9:58am

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I don't care if they failed to heed the warning or not, they should still get help. Alabama folks tried to help but they got turned. I'm not falling for the "they should've left when they were warned" excuse.

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Reply #23 posted 11/04/12 10:02am

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JustErin said:

I heard on the news this morning that this poor women went to a house begging to be let in with her kinds and the guy refused to help her.

[Edited 11/4/12 10:04am]

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