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Thread started 07/30/10 8:18am

Fury

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16 gb iphone 4.....or 32 gb 3gs?

okay...i have a 3g 8 gb iphone that i'm very to upgrade like...right now.

my account says i can get the new iphone 4s or the 3gs for the same price of $199. the big difference would be the 3g has twice the internal memory 32 vs the i4's 16. i know apple released iso4 for the 3gs, but have heard rumblings about slow downs. i fill up my 8gb like superfast and i'm always deleting stuff to clear room. my concern is that i'll use all the space on the i4 just as fast?

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Reply #1 posted 07/30/10 8:24am

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get the iphone 4, its got a much faster processor, more ram, higher resolution screen, better camera and front facing camera

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Reply #2 posted 07/30/10 8:26am

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i would think this would be a no brainer....i could pony up another $100 and just get the i4 w/32 gb

then it would be all gravy lol

[Edited 7/30/10 8:27am]

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Reply #3 posted 07/30/10 9:14am

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well there is that. i upgraded from the original 2g phone 8gb to 16gb 4g model. big difference for me. it's £100 more for the 32gb model and whatever size i have i'd never fit 5% of my music on it. i got a 120gb ipod classic for the music, the iphone i don't often use for music but it means i always have music with me

you should be able to get about £200 for your old phone easily, maybe more, so it helps with the upgradge

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Reply #4 posted 07/30/10 9:31am

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well there is that. i upgraded from the original 2g phone 8gb to 16gb 4g model. big difference for me. it's £100 more for the 32gb model and whatever size i have i'd never fit 5% of my music on it. i got a 120gb ipod classic for the music, the iphone i don't often use for music but it means i always have music with me

you should be able to get about £200 for your old phone easily, maybe more, so it helps with the upgradge

thanks for the input cool

think i'm gonna go with the i4 32 gb

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Reply #5 posted 07/30/10 9:37am

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Reply #6 posted 07/30/10 9:37am

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unique said:

get the iphone 4, its got a much faster processor, more ram, higher resolution screen, better camera and front facing camera

Bullshit, it's not that much faster.

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Reply #7 posted 07/30/10 9:48am

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JowiiCoco said:

unique said:

get the iphone 4, its got a much faster processor, more ram, higher resolution screen, better camera and front facing camera

Bullshit, it's not that much faster.

uh oh... discussion back open lol

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Reply #8 posted 07/30/10 9:49am

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no itunes= deal breaker lol

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Reply #9 posted 07/30/10 9:55am

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Fury said:

andykeen said:

no itunes= deal breaker lol

Please....Don't be brain washed.... Iphones are shite! HTC desire are the BOMB cool cool cool razz


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Reply #10 posted 07/30/10 9:55am

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Fury said:

JowiiCoco said:

Bullshit, it's not that much faster.

uh oh... discussion back open lol

The cpu in the iPhone 4 is the same as in the iPad, however it's under-clocked at around 733-750Mhz.

To see what this means in real life check out this video:

Of course that's not very scientific and not the most accurate way of testing, but to see it with your own eyes is more useful to most people than some numbers. I can get you the numbers too if you want.

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Reply #11 posted 07/30/10 10:01am

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JowiiCoco said:

Fury said:

uh oh... discussion back open lol

The cpu in the iPhone 4 is the same as in the iPad, however it's under-clocked at around 733-750Mhz.

To see what this means in real life check out this video:

Of course that's not very scientific and not the most accurate way of testing, but to see it with your own eyes is more useful to most people than some numbers. I can get you the numbers too if you want.

well if nothing else i now realize how slow my 3g is lol lol

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Reply #12 posted 07/30/10 10:03am

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that little roundy dial thing on my phone got all junked up with goo, and won't spin back like it should.

anyone got a fix??

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Reply #13 posted 07/30/10 10:23am

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Reply #14 posted 07/30/10 10:35am

JowiiCoco

Anyway, I'd go for the iPhone 4 (actually I'm waiting for mine to be delivered) because of the added features. But it all boils down to what you want, do you feel you need more storage or better features?

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Reply #15 posted 07/30/10 11:03am

CJTJ

iPhone 4

... I had 3gs... I now have 4.

4 is so much better!!

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Reply #16 posted 07/30/10 12:17pm

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JowiiCoco said:

unique said:

get the iphone 4, its got a much faster processor, more ram, higher resolution screen, better camera and front facing camera

Bullshit, it's not that much faster.

it's approximately 30% faster with twice as much ram, half a gigabyte instead of a quarter

i'd say 30% is much faster. you might disagree. in real terms, from the many users at one of the biggest tech forums it's clear that in real day to day use that the 4g model is faster when using the latest IOS

what's also been made clear is that whilst the iphone 4 camera specs are lower than on the HTC desire, the image quality is better

in comparing the HTC desire to the iphone 4 from both hands on experience along with the opinions of the millions of forum users, the consensus is that whilst HTC may have some desirable options such as microds port, the iphone is the more enjoyable and convenient model to use

coming from a mac hater who uses both windows and osx on a regular basis, i have to say that through choice i'd always opt for windows first, but for the mobile phone choice, after spending a long time researching and testing the best phones, and backing the testing with online research, i found the iphone to be the best option, even if it's crippled by itunes etc etc etc

if you want a smartphone on a budget then i'd suggest the HTC desire, but if you want the best, the iphone 4 is the choice phone of the moment, and has been since the first model was launched

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Reply #17 posted 07/30/10 2:25pm

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unique said:

JowiiCoco said:

Bullshit, it's not that much faster.

it's approximately 30% faster with twice as much ram, half a gigabyte instead of a quarter

i'd say 30% is much faster. you might disagree. in real terms, from the many users at one of the biggest tech forums it's clear that in real day to day use that the 4g model is faster when using the latest IOS

I never said it's not faster, but you said it has a much faster cpu which is not entirely true. Also, there's no iPhone 4G. Regarding day to day use, check the video I posted.

I too would rather go for the 16GB iP4 (and have), but that's mainly because I don't need that much space for my music and videos and love the better cam(s). I just sold my 8GB 3G and still had over 2GB of free space with a shitload of apps installed.

It's all about what you're going to use it for and how much money you have to spend. People need to figure that out first. Same with laptops/computers. What's good for me might not be good enough for you.

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Reply #18 posted 07/30/10 2:36pm

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JowiiCoco said:

unique said:

it's approximately 30% faster with twice as much ram, half a gigabyte instead of a quarter

i'd say 30% is much faster. you might disagree. in real terms, from the many users at one of the biggest tech forums it's clear that in real day to day use that the 4g model is faster when using the latest IOS

I never said it's not faster, but you said it has a much faster cpu which is not entirely true. Also, there's no iPhone 4G. Regarding day to day use, check the video I posted.

I too would rather go for the 16GB iP4 (and have), but that's mainly because I don't need that much space for my music and videos and love the better cam(s). I just sold my 8GB 3G and still had over 2GB of free space with a shitload of apps installed.

It's all about what you're going to use it for and how much money you have to spend. People need to figure that out first. Same with laptops/computers. What's good for me might not be good enough for you.

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so if 30% isn't much faster, what is the lowest percentage you would consider to be appropriate to be used to deem "much faster" ?

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Reply #19 posted 07/30/10 2:44pm

JowiiCoco

unique said:

JowiiCoco said:

I never said it's not faster, but you said it has a much faster cpu which is not entirely true. Also, there's no iPhone 4G. Regarding day to day use, check the video I posted.

I too would rather go for the 16GB iP4 (and have), but that's mainly because I don't need that much space for my music and videos and love the better cam(s). I just sold my 8GB 3G and still had over 2GB of free space with a shitload of apps installed.

It's all about what you're going to use it for and how much money you have to spend. People need to figure that out first. Same with laptops/computers. What's good for me might not be good enough for you.

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so if 30% isn't much faster, what is the lowest percentage you would consider to be appropriate to be used to deem "much faster" ?

It's not 30% faster. Check the benchmarks posted.

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Reply #20 posted 07/30/10 2:57pm

NDRU

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hoger & lager, sweet!

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Reply #21 posted 07/30/10 3:10pm

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JowiiCoco said:

unique said:

so if 30% isn't much faster, what is the lowest percentage you would consider to be appropriate to be used to deem "much faster" ?

It's not 30% faster. Check the benchmarks posted.

it is 30% faster. the benchmarks are irrelevant. the facts are that its 833mhz and the 3gs is 600mhz and its got 512mb ram instead of 256mhz

try testing the subject matter for youself and researching your facts before arguing about something you don't know about

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Reply #22 posted 07/30/10 3:58pm

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unique said:

JowiiCoco said:

It's not 30% faster. Check the benchmarks posted.

it is 30% faster. the benchmarks are irrelevant. the facts are that its 833mhz and the 3gs is 600mhz and its got 512mb ram instead of 256mhz

try testing the subject matter for youself and researching your facts before arguing about something you don't know about

falloff

If you knew anything about hardware you'd know it's not all about how much Hz and/or quantity of ram a device has. That's exactly why they created benchmarks.

Anyway it's been a fun discussion but my arguments are clearly going way over your head. Enjoy your iPhone 4 because it really is a great device. I hope to get mine next week. beer

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Reply #23 posted 07/30/10 9:23pm

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JowiiCoco said:

unique said:

it is 30% faster. the benchmarks are irrelevant. the facts are that its 833mhz and the 3gs is 600mhz and its got 512mb ram instead of 256mhz

try testing the subject matter for youself and researching your facts before arguing about something you don't know about

falloff

If you knew anything about hardware you'd know it's not all about how much Hz and/or quantity of ram a device has. That's exactly why they created benchmarks.

Anyway it's been a fun discussion but my arguments are clearly going way over your head. Enjoy your iPhone 4 because it really is a great device. I hope to get mine next week. beer

you don't have a clue. the youtube showing the phones loading doesn't benchmark the cpu speed at all. my remark was about the phone having a much faster processor, which it is. you've just sidetracked into something else in an attempt to disguise that you were wrong. and i know it's not a 4g phone, the 4g reference is to save typing "the fourth version of the iphone"

as witnessed by users, the new phone is much faster in real terms than the old, especially on the same IOS. there have been many reports/complaints that the newer IOS4 is making the older models performer slower and more sluggishly, whereas people who have returned to older versions for testing have noticed that older IOS versions make older phones perform faster, but you lose newer upgrades and bugfixes

i'm a moderator on one of the worlds biggest tech forums btw, a site with millions of monthly visitors, and i've paid close attention to the details about the new phone before, during and after the launch, and i've experienced first hand all the models of the iphone, plus the HTC desire, so i speak from knowledge and experience, rather than from google. and your benchmark tests don't even show what IOS they are running, so you can't tell if they are comparing like for like or new IOS on new phone with old IOS on old device. the iphone 4 runs a newer IOS than the ipad and has twice as much ram, yet a similar (not exactly the same) processor, so you can't benchmark like for like

if that doesn't satisfy you i can knock up a load of graphics to prove my point without any actual testing, just a few lines and numbers and no real evidence to back it up

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Reply #24 posted 07/31/10 11:43am

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Fury said:

okay...i have a 3g 8 gb iphone that i'm very to upgrade like...right now.

my account says i can get the new iphone 4s or the 3gs for the same price of $199. the big difference would be the 3g has twice the internal memory 32 vs the i4's 16. i know apple released iso4 for the 3gs, but have heard rumblings about slow downs. i fill up my 8gb like superfast and i'm always deleting stuff to clear room. my concern is that i'll use all the space on the i4 just as fast?

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iOS 4 (technically, now, 4.0.1) works like a charm on my 3GS.

If you're really gung-ho on "Facetime" and/or the camera flash, then go for the 4. If space is more important to you, go wit theh 3GS.

"I love to while away the hours while other people do their meanwhiles..." - Andy Warhol
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Reply #25 posted 07/31/10 10:20pm

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Get the Desire.

Android 2.2 kicks the shit out of iOS4.

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Reply #26 posted 07/31/10 11:34pm

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Get the Desire.

Android 2.2 kicks the shit out of iOS4.

no it doesn't. you obviously haven't compared them side by side

it's android that lets down the HTC. it has the specs, but the OS isn't as nice as any of the apples mobile OS's. the phone just doesn't operate as nicely as the iphone. that's partly why the iphone is doing so well, even mac haters buy it

whilst the osx vs windows argument will go on and on, it basically boils down to osx being "nicer" to use by some people, whereas windows is more versatile with less hardware restrictions

when you port that to a mobile device, those hardware restrictions become less important, and being "nicer" to use becomes more important. and right now there just isn't a real alternative to ios in the way that osx is an alternative to windows. android is basically linux for a mobile phone, and whilst it's comparitively more successful on mobile devices than desktops, it still has a long way to go to beat IOS. give them a couple more major upgrades and android 5 has the potential to be to mobile phones what windows is to desktops

i was all up for getting the HTC desire instead of iphone 4, it's cheaper, the specs are similar, it has some nicer features such as SD card, you don't use itunes, it's potentially more upgradable with apps, but in real terms the iphone 4 is just nicer to use, so much so that i'd give up having an sd card slot and being stuck to use itunes, and paying a lot more for it

one thing that goes in favour of the iphone is the app store and the huge amount of apps it has, and snowballing each day. considering android is an open source based OS it lags behind badly there, and that's before you get to jailbreaking and opening yourself up to another massive world of unofficial apps

and on top of that, iphones hold value ridiculously well. i sold my 2g model for £150 and paid £209 for the new model, so only £59 to upgrade. you can get the HTC desire for free right now, so imagine how much you would be able to sell it for in 3 years time? you can get closer to £200 or £300 for the 3g or 3gs models. there must be something good about the phones to reach those prices second hand, and those buyers aren't your mac fanatics either, as those guys line up overnight to get the latest model the day it's out

as much as i wouldn't use osx for normal computer use, i wouldn't use android or linux either. at least not yet, it's 2 generations behind IOS4, give it time to catch up first

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Reply #27 posted 08/01/10 4:35am

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unique said:

Militant said:

Get the Desire.

Android 2.2 kicks the shit out of iOS4.

no it doesn't. you obviously haven't compared them side by side

it's android that lets down the HTC. it has the specs, but the OS isn't as nice as any of the apples mobile OS's. the phone just doesn't operate as nicely as the iphone. that's partly why the iphone is doing so well, even mac haters buy it

whilst the osx vs windows argument will go on and on, it basically boils down to osx being "nicer" to use by some people, whereas windows is more versatile with less hardware restrictions

when you port that to a mobile device, those hardware restrictions become less important, and being "nicer" to use becomes more important. and right now there just isn't a real alternative to ios in the way that osx is an alternative to windows. android is basically linux for a mobile phone, and whilst it's comparitively more successful on mobile devices than desktops, it still has a long way to go to beat IOS. give them a couple more major upgrades and android 5 has the potential to be to mobile phones what windows is to desktops

i was all up for getting the HTC desire instead of iphone 4, it's cheaper, the specs are similar, it has some nicer features such as SD card, you don't use itunes, it's potentially more upgradable with apps, but in real terms the iphone 4 is just nicer to use, so much so that i'd give up having an sd card slot and being stuck to use itunes, and paying a lot more for it

one thing that goes in favour of the iphone is the app store and the huge amount of apps it has, and snowballing each day. considering android is an open source based OS it lags behind badly there, and that's before you get to jailbreaking and opening yourself up to another massive world of unofficial apps

and on top of that, iphones hold value ridiculously well. i sold my 2g model for £150 and paid £209 for the new model, so only £59 to upgrade. you can get the HTC desire for free right now, so imagine how much you would be able to sell it for in 3 years time? you can get closer to £200 or £300 for the 3g or 3gs models. there must be something good about the phones to reach those prices second hand, and those buyers aren't your mac fanatics either, as those guys line up overnight to get the latest model the day it's out

as much as i wouldn't use osx for normal computer use, i wouldn't use android or linux either. at least not yet, it's 2 generations behind IOS4, give it time to catch up first

Actually - I have. You most likely haven't, because the Desire hasn't even had the 2.2 update yet (the official roll-out starts today) - whereas I have used 2.2 on a Nexus One already, and just flashed it onto my cousins Desire via an unofficial ROM.

2.2 (aka FroYo) is just a MILLION times better than iOS4. There's a reason damn near every iOS 4 review said that it felt like Apple were playing catch-up to Android for the first time.

I mean, what are the new features in iOS 4 again? Crippled, fake "multitasking"? Android has real multitasking. FaceTime? Android has had video-calling for ages.

The browser on Android is faster - the apps run faster, with proper multitasking, thanks to the new JIT engine. The Android Market is way better than the App Store due to it's openness, automatic updates, buyers remorse period, and more. As for lagging behind, badly, uhhh what? There's over 100,000 apps now in Android Market. Sure that's less than the app store, but the gap is closing very quickly, and pound for pound, there's just as many usable, essential apps so much that it's easy to make the switch.

The new Samsung Galaxy S is shitting on the iPhone 4 as well - better screen, better processor, choice of networks, etc.

As for value, uh... again... what? I can get both the latest Android phone and the latest iPhone for free right now on the exact same contract. HTC Hero's go for the same amount second hand as the 3GS (they both came out at the same time).

You obviously know nothing about Android since you said "it's basically linux". It isn't at all - I use Linux on my laptop (dualbooted with Win7) and other than Android being based on the Linux kernel they have nothing in common. I've never had to use Terminal once on Android, whereas I was pretty much forced into using it straight away on Linux. I never had trouble finding the name-brand apps I required on Android, whereas often I had to go with software I wasn't familiar with, on Linux.

And of course - Google's core apps are one of the main reasons Android is so great. Have you used the Google Navigation app? Free GPS, wherever you go, with freakin' Street View mode on top of that. It's insane, and once you add other amazingly well integrated Google Services into the device such as Google Translate, YouTube (with one-touch record and upload), Google Voice.....the iPhone just does not cut it!

Also, what's with the TERRIBLE notification system on iOS? The notification panel system on Android is top-class, and the best implementation of it on ANY operating system.

I could keep going, but I suggest you check out a Nexus One, or a Desire, after the latter gets the 2.2 update (which is a huge improvement to the OS in a great deal of ways).

Android 2.1 was more comparable to iOS 3 - I'd agree with a lot of your points if that was the discussion. But there's a reason why I specifically mentioned 2.2, because it DOES kick the shit out of iOS 4. By a mile.

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i was comparing IOS4 with 2.1 on a HTC desire, literally side by side on the table as a collegue has one, and he was another person who admitted IOS is better than android. and android is basically linux for the mobile phone, which means it should be easier for apps, i was saying that as a pro towards the phone. now you said you've used froyo, but have you literally compared it side by side with an iphone 4 as i have?

there are more than twice as many official apps in the app store and it seems to be snowballing from 500 apps 2 years ago, and that's only official apps, there's a similarly huge range of unnoficial apps too. and you don't just have to use safari, you have opera which is even faster, and others too

anyway, if i really wanted to run android i could just run it on my iphone as a dual boot with IOS, but the features you mention are lacking you can add with apps, including better notifications. there's also a FAR bigger market for accessories for the iphone as the connector is so common these days

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unique said:

i was comparing IOS4 with 2.1 on a HTC desire, literally side by side on the table as a collegue has one, and he was another person who admitted IOS is better than android. and android is basically linux for the mobile phone, which means it should be easier for apps, i was saying that as a pro towards the phone. now you said you've used froyo, but have you literally compared it side by side with an iphone 4 as i have?

there are more than twice as many official apps in the app store and it seems to be snowballing from 500 apps 2 years ago, and that's only official apps, there's a similarly huge range of unnoficial apps too. and you don't just have to use safari, you have opera which is even faster, and others too

anyway, if i really wanted to run android i could just run it on my iphone as a dual boot with IOS, but the features you mention are lacking you can add with apps, including better notifications. there's also a FAR bigger market for accessories for the iphone as the connector is so common these days

Yes, I have literally compared it side by side. I've just come back from a tour with my band in Canada - and smartphone pissing contests between bandmembers, promoters, other musicians, etc have become a daily ritual LOL! And it always boils down to Android VS iOS, whilst the Blackberry folks sit in the corner BBMing all day (haha)

Like I said - in my opinion, there is very little in common between Linux on a desktop/laptop and Android. Completely different experiences, unless you start using terminal commands which 99% of people will never do.

Personally I don't think the quantity of apps makes any difference past a certain point. OK, so you guys have close to 200k apps and Android has 100k. It's still a shitload of apps, and there's nothing I haven't been able to find that I actually require, and I have over 100 apps installed on my phone. Objectively - yes, there's things on iOS that I haven't seen on Android, but the reverse is also very much true.

Accessories - no argument there, but how many accessories do people need? Past a few core things, it's all for niche markets. If you can give me an example of an accessory that I would absolutely require, I'm all ears.

Maybe you can add "better" notifications to iOS, but it still does not match the ease and power of the pull down shade system on Android.

You could try dualbooting, but you wouldn't be getting the full Android experience.....Android was not designed to only utilize one hardware button....lol

Oh, and Flash on Android 2.2, for the win. You don't know what you're missing....until you get a device that does have it, and you can access sites without gaping holes in them smile

I understand how the argument between OS's can still be contentious depending on people's wants and needs. But with Android 3.0 Gingerbread launching in Q4 alongside Google Music and Google TV, with 4G phones across most of the US from Sprint and T-Mobile....By the time Apple launch iOS-5, they are going to be lagging behind in features very severely, and the gap between app numbers will be a hell of a lot smaller. The recent explosion of Android into other forms (car entertainment systems, netbooks, Google TV, etc) will play a big part in the OS war also.

I'm not the first to say it, but this OS war is Mac VS Windows in the 1990's all over again. Apple is still Apple, but Android will win the same way Microsoft did - it's a numbers game. The amount of OEM's building Android systems now cannot be ignored - even Apple can not stand up to the combined forces of companies like Google, Dell, Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericcson, LG, Intel, Texas Instruments, Qualcomm, HTC, Toshiba, Asus, Garmin.... all of whom are actively involved in the development of Android as part of the Open Handset Alliance.

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