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Thread started 08/18/09 2:39pm

SavonOsco

New law passed..Husbands refuse money if wives deny sex

I'm on the train going home and I'm reading this article about a law that allows Shiite Muslim men in Afghanistan can refuse food and money to their wives if they deny them sex.Before this gets moved to P&R..your thoughts..typing on the train sux BTW
Reply #1 posted 08/18/09 2:41pm

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy

They probably had that right all along. We are still there why? If we're not going to emancipate those women, we need to just leave.
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Reply #2 posted 08/18/09 2:46pm

Imago

To expand the problem even further.


Why should women be in a position to rely on men for money and food---that's the real problem.
Reply #3 posted 08/18/09 2:54pm

morningsong

how mean
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Reply #4 posted 08/18/09 2:57pm

sinisterpentatonic

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché
Reply #5 posted 08/18/09 3:07pm

sammij

sinisterpentatonic said:

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché

confused
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Reply #6 posted 08/18/09 3:08pm

sinisterpentatonic

sammij said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché

confused


come on, tell me you haven't used yours to manipulate a situation. tease
Reply #7 posted 08/18/09 3:20pm

sammij

sinisterpentatonic said:

sammij said:


confused


come on, tell me you haven't used yours to manipulate a situation. tease

No, I haven't, and I don't think this is a topic to joke about.
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Reply #8 posted 08/18/09 3:38pm

BklynBabe

as long as the women are allowed to have jobs, that's fair.
my ability to survive should not be reliant on the status of my coochie.
Reply #9 posted 08/18/09 3:44pm

sammij

BklynBabe said:

as long as the women are allowed to have jobs, that's fair.
my ability to survive should not be reliant on the status of my coochie.

We're talking Afganistan here, not North America.
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Reply #10 posted 08/18/09 3:52pm

BklynBabe

I know....that's why it's fucked up!
Reply #11 posted 08/18/09 3:53pm

DesireeNevermind

what happened to the law that absolved husbands of marital rape?
Reply #12 posted 08/18/09 3:58pm

GirlBrother

SavonOsco said:

I'm on the train going home and I'm reading this article about a law that allows Shiite Muslim men in Afghanistan can refuse food and money to their wives if they deny them sex.Before this gets moved to P&R..your thoughts..typing on the train sux BTW


And Christian groups can sucessfully lobby for laws prohibiting same-sex marriage, if there is no true separation of church and state.

Same thing really.

Religion.
Reply #13 posted 08/18/09 4:02pm

PricelessHo

Imago said:


Why should women be in a position to rely on men for money and food---that's the real problem.


sadly women in some middle eastern countries actually need a male's permission in order to work, which not all men approve of.
Reply #14 posted 08/18/09 4:04pm

ZombieKitten

Imago said:

To expand the problem even further.


Why should women be in a position to rely on men for money and food---that's the real problem.


that is how they can have power over their women though Dan lol by denying them the right to education and autonomy.
Reply #15 posted 08/18/09 4:20pm

DesireeNevermind

GirlBrother said:

SavonOsco said:

I'm on the train going home and I'm reading this article about a law that allows Shiite Muslim men in Afghanistan can refuse food and money to their wives if they deny them sex.Before this gets moved to P&R..your thoughts..typing on the train sux BTW


And Christian groups can sucessfully lobby for laws prohibiting same-sex marriage, if there is no true separation of church and state.

Same thing really.

Religion.



There is separation of church and state in Afghanistan? eek
Reply #16 posted 08/18/09 4:23pm

Imago

ZombieKitten said:

Imago said:

To expand the problem even further.


Why should women be in a position to rely on men for money and food---that's the real problem.


that is how they can have power over their women though Dan lol by denying them the right to education and autonomy.

exactly.
But news outlets are only doing half their job when they focus on ridiculous stories like this. This is really part of a much larger form of subjugation of women.

I want to throw up every time I see Saudi Arabia being mentioned as our "allie" by one of our politicians. sigh
Reply #17 posted 08/18/09 4:24pm

heybaby

sinisterpentatonic said:

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché

mushy
Reply #18 posted 08/18/09 4:24pm

ZombieKitten

Imago said:

ZombieKitten said:



that is how they can have power over their women though Dan lol by denying them the right to education and autonomy.

exactly.
But news outlets are only doing half their job when they focus on ridiculous stories like this. This is really part of a much larger form of subjugation of women.

I want to throw up every time I see Saudi Arabia being mentioned as our "allie" by one of our politicians. sigh


ah OK redface
yes, exactly nod
Reply #19 posted 08/18/09 4:28pm

KingBAD

eye eye

I ain't touchin this
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Reply #20 posted 08/18/09 4:39pm

ufoclub

are there still any societies with matriarchal rule? I wonder what kind of problems arise there?
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Reply #21 posted 08/18/09 4:43pm

KingBAD

ufoclub said:

are there still any societies with matriarchal rule? I wonder what kind of problems arise there?

I am a product of such a rule...
They get old, they die

Now there are only me and my babies.
No princes, so the cycle may begin again.
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Reply #22 posted 08/18/09 4:45pm

Imago

ZombieKitten said:

Imago said:


exactly.
But news outlets are only doing half their job when they focus on ridiculous stories like this. This is really part of a much larger form of subjugation of women.

I want to throw up every time I see Saudi Arabia being mentioned as our "allie" by one of our politicians. sigh


ah OK redface
yes, exactly nod

It's no biggie!
It's just that I see a lot of news now about what this or that person did wrong. Or how this or that person robbed this or that liquor store.
And I believe that some people are more prone to crime, but when it's a big problem, this reflects on society to me as much as it does the individual.

I'm starting to really hate the news now--one, because what they report isn't always honest. But two, because they never actually get to the bottom of any story.

I think I'm just cranky today lol
Reply #23 posted 08/18/09 4:50pm

ZombieKitten

Imago said:

ZombieKitten said:



ah OK redface
yes, exactly nod

It's no biggie!
It's just that I see a lot of news now about what this or that person did wrong. Or how this or that person robbed this or that liquor store.
And I believe that some people are more prone to crime, but when it's a big problem, this reflects on society to me as much as it does the individual.

I'm starting to really hate the news now--one, because what they report isn't always honest. But two, because they never actually get to the bottom of any story.

I think I'm just cranky today lol


if the media went into detail it would be a 2 hour documentary not a 1 minute news story, it's assumed people don't have that kind of attention span, just long enough to absorb the most sensational or shocking headlines they can think of to get ratings neutral
Reply #24 posted 08/18/09 4:56pm

Imago

ZombieKitten said:

Imago said:


It's no biggie!
It's just that I see a lot of news now about what this or that person did wrong. Or how this or that person robbed this or that liquor store.
And I believe that some people are more prone to crime, but when it's a big problem, this reflects on society to me as much as it does the individual.

I'm starting to really hate the news now--one, because what they report isn't always honest. But two, because they never actually get to the bottom of any story.

I think I'm just cranky today lol


if the media went into detail it would be a 2 hour documentary not a 1 minute news story, it's assumed people don't have that kind of attention span, just long enough to absorb the most sensational or shocking headlines they can think of to get ratings neutral


I agree. I think this is why I listen to independent media for news now.
Reply #25 posted 08/18/09 5:02pm

ZombieKitten

Imago said:

ZombieKitten said:



if the media went into detail it would be a 2 hour documentary not a 1 minute news story, it's assumed people don't have that kind of attention span, just long enough to absorb the most sensational or shocking headlines they can think of to get ratings neutral


I agree. I think this is why I listen to independent media for news now.

am radio nod they will talk about a topic all day long!!!
Reply #26 posted 08/18/09 5:16pm

Imago

ZombieKitten said:

Imago said:



I agree. I think this is why I listen to independent media for news now.

am radio nod they will talk about a topic all day long!!!

yes!
And when some of the conspiracy theorists jump in on a call-in show, I lose it falloff
Reply #27 posted 08/18/09 5:18pm

ZombieKitten

Imago said:

ZombieKitten said:


am radio nod they will talk about a topic all day long!!!

yes!
And when some of the conspiracy theorists jump in on a call-in show, I lose it falloff

lol

hmmm
I didn't know those fancy beetles even come with am radio any more razz
Reply #28 posted 08/18/09 6:05pm

angel345

I'd bet they feel like prostitutes right about now.
Reply #29 posted 08/18/09 6:23pm

sammij

angel345 said:

I'd bet they feel like prostitutes right about now.

To be honest, I think that would be the last thing they're thinking of.
They're being denied sustainability (because they can ONLY get that from men, sadly) because they deny these men sex.

How the fuck is that fair?
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Reply #30 posted 08/18/09 6:42pm

ZombieKitten

I imagine a lot of these women are married to men they would not have chosen for themselves. UGH.
Reply #31 posted 08/18/09 6:43pm

sammij

ZombieKitten said:

I imagine a lot of these women are married to men they would not have chosen for themselves. UGH.

Imagine the age differences as well, some as young as I am are married to men as old as 70 or more.
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Reply #32 posted 08/18/09 6:44pm

ZombieKitten

sammij said:

ZombieKitten said:

I imagine a lot of these women are married to men they would not have chosen for themselves. UGH.

Imagine the age differences as well, some as young as I am are married to men as old as 70 or more.

or even younger sigh
Reply #33 posted 08/18/09 6:45pm

angel345

sammij said:

angel345 said:

I'd bet they feel like prostitutes right about now.

To be honest, I think that would be the last thing they're thinking of.
They're being denied sustainability (because they can ONLY get that from men, sadly) because they deny these men sex.

How the fuck is that fair?

I know that its about control and cultural differences. It was just an subjective statement, the way I would feel if I had to sleep with someone for money, including my own husband. He shouldn't deny her anything, including money and food, regardless. Get to the root of the problem, and find out why she's denying him sex, that's all.
Reply #34 posted 08/18/09 6:47pm

sammij

angel345 said:

sammij said:


To be honest, I think that would be the last thing they're thinking of.
They're being denied sustainability (because they can ONLY get that from men, sadly) because they deny these men sex.

How the fuck is that fair?

I know that its about control and cultural differences. It was just an subjective statement, the way I would feel if I had to sleep with someone for money, including my own husband. He shouldn't deny her anything, including money and food, regardless. Get to the root of the problem, and find out why she's denying him sex, that's all.

nod
And I suspect, in this instance, one of the reasons why they deny their husbands sex is because their husbands abuse and beat them...
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Reply #35 posted 08/18/09 6:54pm

angel345

sammij said:

angel345 said:


I know that its about control and cultural differences. It was just an subjective statement, the way I would feel if I had to sleep with someone for money, including my own husband. He shouldn't deny her anything, including money and food, regardless. Get to the root of the problem, and find out why she's denying him sex, that's all.

nod
And I suspect, in this instance, one of the reasons why they deny their husbands sex is because their husbands abuse and beat them...

Those women got it bad in the Middle East. Like you said, it's not fair, but all I can say who said life is fair. Sad for them disbelief
Reply #36 posted 08/18/09 6:57pm

sammij

angel345 said:

sammij said:


nod
And I suspect, in this instance, one of the reasons why they deny their husbands sex is because their husbands abuse and beat them...

Those women got it bad in the Middle East. Like you said, it's not fair, but all I can say who said life is fair. Sad for them disbelief

But putting it that way just seems like the best thing to do is just to turn away and let it be.
And I don't think that should happen...
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Reply #37 posted 08/18/09 6:57pm

myfavorite

sammij said:

angel345 said:


I know that its about control and cultural differences. It was just an subjective statement, the way I would feel if I had to sleep with someone for money, including my own husband. He shouldn't deny her anything, including money and food, regardless. Get to the root of the problem, and find out why she's denying him sex, that's all.

nod
And I suspect, in this instance, one of the reasons why they deny their husbands sex is because their husbands abuse and beat them...



he's denying her as a person...no attention, lies, deceit on the flip side, lavishing whoever when he's about twn. doesn't sound like he takes her places and yet she stays demorialized?
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Reply #38 posted 08/18/09 7:03pm

angel345

sammij said:

angel345 said:


Those women got it bad in the Middle East. Like you said, it's not fair, but all I can say who said life is fair. Sad for them disbelief

But putting it that way just seems like the best thing to do is just to turn away and let it be.
And I don't think that should happen...

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is life is not all peaches and cream. It's not always right and fair. To be frank, I don't know what should be done.
Reply #39 posted 08/18/09 7:07pm

myfavorite

the question is, from whence are they allowed such control? where and how did they loose the respect they had for mom?
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Reply #40 posted 08/18/09 7:11pm

myfavorite

and why is she denied a job to make her own money ..damn!
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Reply #41 posted 08/18/09 7:15pm

angel345

myfavorite said:

the question is, from whence are they allowed such control? where and how did they loose the respect they had for mom?

Again, it has to do with cultural differences. What they deemed socially or religiously correct may be wrong in other cultures. However, I do believe in my soul that our Creator would not want a man to mistreat a woman, and vice versa.
Reply #42 posted 08/18/09 7:20pm

ZombieKitten

myfavorite said:

and why is she denied a job to make her own money ..damn!

control!
Reply #43 posted 08/18/09 7:52pm

myfavorite

its very sad.
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Reply #44 posted 08/18/09 8:57pm

peacenlovealways

sinisterpentatonic said:

sammij said:


confused


come on, tell me you haven't used yours to manipulate a situation. tease

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Reply #45 posted 08/18/09 9:00pm

peacenlovealways

these women need to leave their country ...disguise themselves as men and bounce...no wonder some are setting themselves on fire...
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Reply #46 posted 08/18/09 10:22pm

Moonbeam

Unreal.
It's only mountains...
Reply #47 posted 08/19/09 5:21am

Mach

Imago said:

To expand the problem even further.


Why should women be in a position to rely on men for money and food---that's the real problem.



clapping
Reply #48 posted 08/19/09 6:00am

Ottensen

Imago said:

To expand the problem even further.


Why should women be in a position to rely on men for money and food---that's the real problem.


How you doin'! nod

But if a person's religious or spiritual beliefs dictate that each person in the relationship is delegated those archtypical roles...and they are steadfast in those beliefs, it leaves little for the rest of us to say or do about it shrug
Reply #49 posted 08/19/09 7:04am

myfavorite

so in other words..who gives a shyt??!
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Reply #50 posted 08/19/09 7:33am

sinisterpentatonic

peacenlovealways said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



come on, tell me you haven't used yours to manipulate a situation. tease

[snip - CarrieMpls]


OoOoOOoo....orgnote me. smile
Reply #51 posted 08/19/09 7:34am

sinisterpentatonic

heybaby said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché

mushy


you complete me.
Reply #52 posted 08/19/09 7:34am

sinisterpentatonic

sammij said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



come on, tell me you haven't used yours to manipulate a situation. tease

No, I haven't, and I don't think this is a topic to joke about.


confused
Reply #53 posted 08/19/09 7:50am

NMuzakNSoul

sinisterpentatonic said:

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché


Okay...?

But anyway I was reading some more about it. It's truly ridiculous and shady. There are many more stories of countries where women are viewed as much less than a man. As for me I believe in and support equality for all.

Check this. disbelief

Bowing to international pressure and unprecedented protests by hundreds of women on the streets of Kabul, the Afghan government promised in April to review a new law imposing severe restrictions on women in Shiite Muslim families.

Last week, though, Human Rights Watch discovered that a revised version of the Shiite Personal Status Law had been quietly put into effect at the end of July — meaning that Shiite men in Afghanistan now have the legal right to starve their wives if their sexual demands are not met and that Shiite women must obtain permission from their husbands to even leave their houses, “except in extreme circumstances.”

[Edited 8/19/09 7:50am]
Reply #54 posted 08/19/09 8:15am

sinisterpentatonic

NMuzakNSoul said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

well women are always using their putty cat to get us to do stuff we don't won't to do...i say Touché


Okay...?

But anyway I was reading some more about it. It's truly ridiculous and shady. There are many more stories of countries where women are viewed as much less than a man. As for me I believe in and support equality for all.

Check this. disbelief

Bowing to international pressure and unprecedented protests by hundreds of women on the streets of Kabul, the Afghan government promised in April to review a new law imposing severe restrictions on women in Shiite Muslim families.

Last week, though, Human Rights Watch discovered that a revised version of the Shiite Personal Status Law had been quietly put into effect at the end of July — meaning that Shiite men in Afghanistan now have the legal right to starve their wives if their sexual demands are not met and that Shiite women must obtain permission from their husbands to even leave their houses, “except in extreme circumstances.”



ok, so are you trying to bust me out or something?

i was making a lighthearted joke about something that is truly f'd up. in no way am i condoning this behavior.
Reply #55 posted 08/19/09 8:59am

sammij

sinisterpentatonic said:

NMuzakNSoul said:



Okay...?

But anyway I was reading some more about it. It's truly ridiculous and shady. There are many more stories of countries where women are viewed as much less than a man. As for me I believe in and support equality for all.

Check this. disbelief

Bowing to international pressure and unprecedented protests by hundreds of women on the streets of Kabul, the Afghan government promised in April to review a new law imposing severe restrictions on women in Shiite Muslim families.

Last week, though, Human Rights Watch discovered that a revised version of the Shiite Personal Status Law had been quietly put into effect at the end of July — meaning that Shiite men in Afghanistan now have the legal right to starve their wives if their sexual demands are not met and that Shiite women must obtain permission from their husbands to even leave their houses, “except in extreme circumstances.”



ok, so are you trying to bust me out or something?

i was making a lighthearted joke about something that is truly f'd up. in no way am i condoning this behavior.
You really could've fooled me. (just sent you an orgnote before reading this.) I still don't get how that was lighthearted anyway. shrug
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Reply #56 posted 08/19/09 9:03am

NMuzakNSoul

sinisterpentatonic said:

NMuzakNSoul said:



Okay...?

But anyway I was reading some more about it. It's truly ridiculous and shady. There are many more stories of countries where women are viewed as much less than a man. As for me I believe in and support equality for all.

Check this. disbelief

Bowing to international pressure and unprecedented protests by hundreds of women on the streets of Kabul, the Afghan government promised in April to review a new law imposing severe restrictions on women in Shiite Muslim families.

Last week, though, Human Rights Watch discovered that a revised version of the Shiite Personal Status Law had been quietly put into effect at the end of July — meaning that Shiite men in Afghanistan now have the legal right to starve their wives if their sexual demands are not met and that Shiite women must obtain permission from their husbands to even leave their houses, “except in extreme circumstances.”



ok, so are you trying to bust me out or something?

i was making a lighthearted joke about something that is truly f'd up. in no way am i condoning this behavior.


Nah, only the okay? was directed at you, text doesn't always reveal everything so I couldn't tell. The rest of my post has nothing to do with you.
Reply #57 posted 08/19/09 10:57am

DesireeNevermind

Another example of the Pimps Up Hos Down mentality. These men are all about SELF.
Reply #58 posted 08/26/09 6:49am

myfavorite

yo broke ass...i'm ion a quest for credibility dammit! ! ! god knows i've gave enough out! ! ! ! !


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Reply #59 posted 08/26/09 7:50am

Graycap23

Humans over-complicate EVERY THING.
Reply #60 posted 08/26/09 2:58pm

myfavorite

..and..men are human?????
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