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Male Bisexuality Is A Myth?

http://www.impactlab.com/...ty-a-myth/

A new study concludes that the large majority of men purporting to be bisexual are actually gay, while the rest are more likely to be heterosexual.
Senior author Michael Bailey, from Northwestern University in Chicago, said: “Bisexual male behaviour certainly exists, but the study suggests that a bisexual orientation, an actual sexual preference for both men and women, does not exist in men. If such men exist, they are certainly very rare and we didn’t find them.”



Researchers recruited 101 young adult men, 33 identifying themselves as bisexual, 30 straight and 38 homosexual.



They were questioned at length about their sexuality before being seated alone in a laboratory to watch erotic films while their arousal levels were monitored by a sensor.



Gay men were aroused by images of men, while heterosexual men were aroused by women. But psychologists said those claiming to be bisexual were only aroused by one or the other - 75per cent by men and the rest by women.



Dr Bailey said some men claim to be bisexual as it is easier than admitting to being gay, while others might consider it some kind of achievement and be proud to swing both ways.
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Reply #1 posted 06/20/09 1:50pm

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I'm calling bullshit.
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Reply #2 posted 06/20/09 1:52pm

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I already said it in thew Ricky Martin thread in response to this article, but I'll say it again:


Dr Bailey said some men claim to be bisexual as it is easier than admitting to being gay, while others might consider it some kind of achievement and be proud to swing both ways.



While both these points are true, I really hope you're not trying to claim there's no such thing as legitimately bisexual men.
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Reply #3 posted 06/20/09 2:00pm

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i've met 4 bisexual men in my life

3 had never slept with a woman

1 had slept with a man and several women but only preferred to have sex with women.
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Reply #4 posted 06/20/09 2:04pm

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ehuffnsd said:

i've met 4 bisexual men in my life

3 had never slept with a woman

1 had slept with a man and several women but only preferred to have sex with women.


You've only met four who claimed to be bisexual? omfg

I am gobsmacked, really. I know several.

I think a lot of it depends on the circles you run with.
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Reply #5 posted 06/20/09 2:15pm

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I firmly believe you either go with arthur or martha , anyone that says they are bi-sexual I think are just in denial about their true sexuality . Of course nothing in this world is black and white so I could be completely wrong just my thoughts on the matter ....
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Reply #6 posted 06/20/09 2:23pm

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Reply #7 posted 06/20/09 2:31pm

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I agree the vast majority of bis are really gay.
Almost every guy I've been with claimed to be bi, but was gay.

I've known 2 other true bi's, and one of them I've never seen fool around with another guy, while the other came on to me---I'm not attracted to bi guys for some reason. shrug

I've always had a sneaking suspicion in me that a lot of gay men are curious about women though, and just won't admit it. So I may be way off base. lol
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Reply #8 posted 06/20/09 2:40pm

Imago

Since when is it easier to be bi-sexual than gay?

Women do not believe in bi-sexual men by in large, so a girl will automatically write you off if you claim to be. She assumes you're gay and going through some kind of self-acceptance stage. She automatically distrusts you.
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Reply #9 posted 06/20/09 2:51pm

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Also, has anyone every met a masculine gay man?
I've met men who 'acted' masculine. That is no lisp, no limp wrist, walked like an ape, etc. etc.

But they were playing a part.

Get them behind closed doors, and ...voila! Paul Lynnd
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Reply #10 posted 06/20/09 2:56pm

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Imago said:

Since when is it easier to be bi-sexual than gay?

Women do not believe in bi-sexual men by in large, so a girl will automatically write you off if you claim to be. She assumes you're gay and going through some kind of self-acceptance stage. She automatically distrusts you.




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Reply #11 posted 06/20/09 3:00pm

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The only bisexuals I know would be better termed sluts than bisexual.
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Reply #12 posted 06/20/09 4:44pm

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Pochacco said:

I firmly believe you either go with arthur or martha , anyone that says they are bi-sexual I think are just in denial about their true sexuality . Of course nothing in this world is black and white so I could be completely wrong just my thoughts on the matter ....

<---This bisexual firmly believes that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Reply #13 posted 06/20/09 4:47pm

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Imago said:

Since when is it easier to be bi-sexual than gay?

Women do not believe in bi-sexual men by in large, so a girl will automatically write you off if you claim to be. She assumes you're gay and going through some kind of self-acceptance stage. She automatically distrusts you.

Those women are idiots, says I. So are any men with the same approach.
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Reply #14 posted 06/20/09 4:48pm

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lazycrockett said:

The only bisexuals I know would be better termed sluts than bisexual.

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Reply #15 posted 06/20/09 4:49pm

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I'm sorry, guys. But I don't take all that well to being told that I either don't exist or that I'm greedy or that I'm trying to be trendy or that I'm hiding full homosexuality. And I don't take it well hearing the same said about any of my bi folk -female AND male.

We exist, we're real, and we happen in both genders. End of story. lock
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Reply #16 posted 06/20/09 5:01pm

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Is this the really old study (2005) that has long been discredited? The lack of dates in the original post doesn't give much to go on.

The New York Times angered gay rights activists last week following its report on a new study questioning the validity of bisexuality in males.

Critics claim that the July 5 story, “Straight, Gay or Lying? Bisexuality Revisited,” failed to question the methodology of the research and did not include past accusations of misconduct on the part of one of the study’s authors.

According to the Times article, a study on bisexuality, to be published in Psychological Science, casts serious doubt on the validity of bisexuality in men because it found that bisexual men were aroused by images of men while showing little or no arousal when exposed to images of women.

Several gay advocacy groups, including the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force and the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, publicly denounced the Times story.

The study concluded that: “[W]ith respect to sexual arousal and attraction, it remains to be shown that male bisexuality exists. Thus, future research should … explore nonsexual reasons why some men might prefer a bisexual identity.”

The researchers, Gerulf Rieger, Meredith L. Chivers and controversial Northwestern University professor J. Michael Bailey, attached a device to the penises of study participants to measure arousal while they watched two-minute pornographic movies and 11-minute non-sexual films. The men were asked to discuss their arousal during the films. The study examined small samples of homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual men — about 20 to 30 in each group.

“My conclusion is that for the most part, men’s self-identity doesn’t match their physical genital pattern,” Rieger told the Blade.

“In my own opinion, I truly doubt that bisexuality exists in men,” said Rieger, a gay graduate student at Northwestern’s psychology department and the study’s lead author.

Rieger said that he and Bailey are not accusing all bisexuals of lying but that it is possible that some of the men sampled were not truthful about their sexual orientation.

But can the authors’ methodology accurately measure sexual arousal and does that arousal determine sexual orientation? According to researchers contacted by the Blade who reviewed the study and are experts in the sexuality field, the answer is no. The study only raises more questions and definitively answers none, they agreed.

Many also questioned the researchers’ interpretations of their data. The study showed that heterosexual men responded more to watching pornography with two men than to the non-sexual movies.

“What I see here is greater evidence of bisexuality,” said Paula Rodriguez Rust, a sociologist and member of the International Academy of Sex Research.

Some researchers criticized the methodology used in Bailey’s study. Bailey used a penile plethysmograph to measure arousal. Courts generally reject the plethysmograph, which was created in the 1950s, when prosecutors and defense attorneys try to submit its findings in sex abuse cases.

“It’s not scientifically accepted by the courts,” said Jack King, director of public affairs for the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

The device is mistakenly seen as a lie detector for the penis, said Randall Sell, an assistant professor of clinical socio-medical sciences at Columbia University. But it is vulnerable to manipulations because men learn at an early age that having an erection in public is an embarrassing experience and are trained to avoid that, he said.

Sell also pointed out that in 25 percent of the people studied the device could not detect any arousal. These people were dismissed from the study.

“I don’t know anyone that will rely on a device that is so insensitive it can’t measure anything in 25 percent of the people,” he said.

Signs of arousal don’t always translate into desire. At times people can become physically aroused against their will, Rodriguez Rust said. There have been cases in which a man who is raped gets an erection or women will appear aroused while watching a video of sexual violence, she said.

Several researchers also noted that arousal and orientation are influenced by audio stimulus, behavior, attraction, pheromones, fantasies and emotional connections. Bisexuality is just as complicated — bisexuals are not 50 percent heterosexual and 50 percent gay, they said.

In Rodriguez Rust’s research of bisexual men she found that they were attracted to men and women differently. With men, it was more of a sexual pull and with women they were drawn to romance, she said.

“When they show people films, what they’re getting is a visual image,” she said. “It’s not surprising that they’re getting a physical response. The images of women are not what most bisexual men say they’re attracted to.”

The videos themselves are subject to scrutiny as well. ...

To determine heterosexuality, a video of two women having sex was shown; for homosexuality, two men were shown. Quite simply and crudely, that just might not turn you on, several researchers said. Rieger explained that videos with a man and a woman were not used because he would not be able to know if the subject was responding to the man or the woman in the movie.

The study advertised for subjects in a gay newspaper and an alternative newspaper for “heterosexual, bisexual and gay men.” Ron Fox, who conducted an earlier study of 800 bisexuals, said that the small sample was not representative of the bisexual community, where there is great variety. Their advertising methods made them more likely to get “gay-leaning bisexuals,” said Fox, who teaches at the Saybrook Graduate School & Research Center in California. His research found that a third of the people he studied had previously identified as lesbian or gay.

The New York Times story included little criticism of the study and failed to mention that Bailey was investigated by Northwestern University in 2004 following allegations that his research methods were unethical.

A spokesperson for the New York Times said in a statement, “We thought the article was thorough and fair. It is, of course, only one part of the coverage we will continue to do on this issue.”

In Bailey’s book, “The Man Who Would Be Queen,” several of his research subjects said they were never told he was interviewing them for a book and one woman alleged that Bailey had sex with her. The women thought they were meeting Bailey as a psychologist to receive permission letters for gender reassignment surgery, said Lynn Conway, professor of Electrical Engineering & Computer Science at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

Conway underwent gender reassignment surgery in the 1960s and has been an outspoken critic of Bailey. The book portrayed transgendered women as mentally unstable and unable to hold down legitimate jobs, she said.

Alan Cubbage, vice president of university relations for Northwestern, said that he couldn’t reveal the investigations’ findings. The university took “appropriate action,” he said

Bailey was also criticized when he argued in a 2001 article published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, that it is morally acceptable for parents to choose heterosexuality for their fetus.

He wrote: “[S]election for heterosexuality may tangibly benefit parents, children, and their families and seems to have only a slight potential for any significant harm.”

Critics are upset that Bailey, whose research has been marred by allegations of misconduct, received almost unquestioning coverage in the country’s most prestigious newspaper.

Sell said he is concerned that many who read the Times article may believe that bisexuality doesn’t exist. The caveats and explanations never receive as much attention as the initial sensationalistic splash, he said.

“It scares me that little studies create myths that live on,” Sell said.



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Reply #17 posted 06/20/09 5:02pm

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I guess it all depends on how you define "bisexual". Are you talking in terms of which sex you're attracted to, which sex you have intercourse with, or which sex you have an intimate relationship with? I have only met one bisexual person (that I know of) that has intimate relationships with both sexes. All the others have had sexual relationships with both but only had the same sex as their mate. I do believe there are people that have loving, committed relationships with both but I feel they are the exception to the rule.
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Reply #18 posted 06/20/09 5:22pm

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Imago said:

Since when is it easier to be bi-sexual than gay?

Women do not believe in bi-sexual men by in large, so a girl will automatically write you off if you claim to be. She assumes you're gay and going through some kind of self-acceptance stage. She automatically distrusts you.

nod I always think of bisexuality as a stop on the way to Gaytown. shrug
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Reply #19 posted 06/20/09 5:25pm

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Imago said:

Also, has anyone every met a masculine gay man?
I've met men who 'acted' masculine. That is no lisp, no limp wrist, walked like an ape, etc. etc.

But they were playing a part.

Get them behind closed doors, and ...voila! Paul Lynnd

Most of my gay male friends are very masculine. My best friend is a very rigid top and claims he don't even wanna see a dick, much less touch one and cannot stand femme men at ALL. He's the most sexually uptight gay man I've ever known.

But yeah most of the masculine guys be the first ones to have their gatdamn heels in the air. lol
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Reply #20 posted 06/20/09 5:33pm

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Imago said:

Also, has anyone every met a masculine gay man?


Masculinity's in short supply these days, straight or gay. Damn body-shavers.
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Reply #21 posted 06/20/09 5:35pm

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Imago said:

Also, has anyone every met a masculine gay man?
I've met men who 'acted' masculine. That is no lisp, no limp wrist, walked like an ape, etc. etc.

But they were playing a part.

Get them behind closed doors, and ...voila! Paul Lynnd




eek lol lol falloff falloff
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Reply #22 posted 06/20/09 5:45pm

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When it comes to sexuality, I'd like to default at taking people for their word. And usually I do, or I try to at least. Who am I to say for anyone else?

But as someone once said, all the girls and guys who claim to be bi in college eventually end up with men. So it becomes difficult to take completely seriously.

And I think Imago's correct in that there's an inherent "mistrust" in men in particular who claim to be bisexual. It's usually just the last stop on the way to gaytown.
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Reply #23 posted 06/20/09 6:16pm

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SCNDLS said:

Imago said:

Also, has anyone every met a masculine gay man?
I've met men who 'acted' masculine. That is no lisp, no limp wrist, walked like an ape, etc. etc.

But they were playing a part.

Get them behind closed doors, and ...voila! Paul Lynnd

Most of my gay male friends are very masculine. My best friend is a very rigid top and claims he don't even wanna see a dick, much less touch one and cannot stand femme men at ALL. He's the most sexually uptight gay man I've ever known.

But yeah most of the masculine guys be the first ones to have their gatdamn heels in the air. lol

someone has issues.
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Reply #24 posted 06/20/09 6:20pm

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ehuffnsd said:

SCNDLS said:


Most of my gay male friends are very masculine. My best friend is a very rigid top and claims he don't even wanna see a dick, much less touch one and cannot stand femme men at ALL. He's the most sexually uptight gay man I've ever known.

But yeah most of the masculine guys be the first ones to have their gatdamn heels in the air. lol

someone has issues.

I tell him that all the time usually while laughing my ass off cuz he shakes his head like a kid tasting something nasty at the mere thought of touching a penis. It's hilarious. lol
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Reply #25 posted 06/20/09 6:21pm

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SCNDLS said:

ehuffnsd said:


someone has issues.

I tell him that all the time usually while laughing my ass off cuz he shakes his head like a kid tasting something nasty at the mere thought of touching a penis. It's hilarious. lol

thank god my man friend is masculine enough to realize it's what you do not what you wear or say that makes you that.
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Reply #26 posted 06/20/09 6:22pm

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Imago said:

Also, has anyone every met a masculine gay man?
I've met men who 'acted' masculine. That is no lisp, no limp wrist, walked like an ape, etc. etc.

But they were playing a part.

Get them behind closed doors, and ...voila! Paul Lynnd


My partner is very masculine.
No one ever takes him for gay.
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Reply #27 posted 06/20/09 6:23pm

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ehuffnsd said:

SCNDLS said:


I tell him that all the time usually while laughing my ass off cuz he shakes his head like a kid tasting something nasty at the mere thought of touching a penis. It's hilarious. lol

thank god my man friend is masculine enough to realize it's what you do not what you wear or say that makes you that.

I think he thinks that it's less obvious to others if he's with a masculine guy since he is too. Everybody has their preferences but I'm always telling him "Nucca, you ain't fooling nobody." lol That's my gay baby daddy tho. mushy
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Reply #28 posted 06/20/09 6:24pm

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SCNDLS said:

ehuffnsd said:


thank god my man friend is masculine enough to realize it's what you do not what you wear or say that makes you that.

I think he thinks that it's less obvious to others if he's with a masculine guy since he is too. Everybody has their preferences but I'm always telling him "Nucca, you ain't fooling nobody." lol That's my gay baby daddy tho. mushy

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Reply #29 posted 06/20/09 6:26pm

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How about people are whatever they claim to be? I can't believe the money wasted to study this type of shit.
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