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Thread started 04/10/09 10:53am

sextonseven

Can you test positive for drugs after performing oral sex on an addict?

This NYC cop says yes:

Coke cop says oral sex to blame for dirty test, but judge not buying it

BY Alison Gendar and Jose Martinez
Daily News Staff Writers


Wednesday, April 8th 2009, 6:40 AM

A decorated ex-cop who claimed he tested positive for cocaine because he ingested the drug during oral sex with his girlfriend can't have his job back, a Manhattan judge has ruled.

Supreme Court Justice Eileen Rakower last month shot down helicopter pilot Jon Goldin's attempt to overturn his April 2008 dismissal from the NYPD.

Goldin, a 15-year veteran, tested positive for cocaine in October 2006 in a random drug test using hairs from his arm.

Goldin - an adherent of the "straight edge" lifestyle that rejects substance use - didn't challenge the drug test.

He sued last year after a state appeals court rejected the NYPD's use of hair to test cops for illegal drug use.

"This is a very special human being who devoted his entire life to being a police officer," said lawyer Paul Goldberger. "He would no more use drugs than the man on the moon."

Goldin's lawsuit said the cocaine in his system was the product of "passive ingestion" from performing oral sex on girlfriend Coreen McCarthy, who, once he tested positive, admitted to him that she was a regular cocaine user.

"She never told [Goldin] about her drug use," court records say.

The couple met at a punk concert and, according to court records, they "would often sweat" while having sex "three or four times per week."

They split immediately once Goldin tested positive for cocaine.

More than 70 friends went to bat for the ex-cop, saying they had never seen him take even a sip of coffee and that he abstained at bars while others drank booze.

"Clearly the wrong result was reached in this case," Goldberger said. "This guy should be a cop."

Rakower ruled that even though the appeals court put a stop to hair tests in December 2007, Goldin's firing must stand because he voluntarily cooperated with the drug test and allowed hair samples to be taken from his arm.

The state's highest court Tuesday agreed to hear an appeal from the NYPD in favor of hair testing, which the city began using in 2005.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/08/2009-04-08_coke_cop_says_oral_sex_to_blame_for_dirty_test_judge_sniffs_at_case.html
Reply #1 posted 04/10/09 10:59am

DanceWme

eek
Reply #2 posted 04/10/09 10:59am

hokie

eek
Reply #3 posted 04/10/09 11:29am

Serious

eek
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
Reply #4 posted 04/10/09 11:56am

sexyone

sextonseven said:

This NYC cop says yes:

[b]

Goldin's lawsuit said the cocaine in his system was the product of "passive ingestion" from performing oral sex on girlfriend Coreen McCarthy, who, once he tested positive, admitted to him that she was a regular cocaine user.


So does that mean she had cocaine on her pu$$y.... pussy
Reply #5 posted 04/10/09 1:03pm

mzsadii

eek eek eek
Prince's Sarah
Reply #6 posted 04/10/09 1:05pm

sextonseven

sexyone said:

sextonseven said:

This NYC cop says yes:



So does that mean she had cocaine on her pu$$y.... pussy


If she did, the cop didn't know when he lick He's very anti-drugs according to the article.

Or the guy could just be lying about everything.
Reply #7 posted 04/10/09 1:11pm

heybaby

I don't buy that shit lol
Reply #8 posted 04/10/09 1:13pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

eek eek
Edmonton, AB - canada

"hush nubbits" !
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Reply #9 posted 04/10/09 1:14pm

sextonseven

luv4u said:

eek eek


This is a very popular emoticon in this thread. lol
Reply #10 posted 04/10/09 1:19pm

DanceWme

imagine all the crackheads suckin each other off in the alley if this were true
Reply #11 posted 04/10/09 1:20pm

heybaby

DanceWme said:

imagine all the crackheads suckin each other off in the alley if this were true

coke and nut butta ill
Reply #12 posted 04/10/09 1:21pm

DanceWme

heybaby said:

DanceWme said:

imagine all the crackheads suckin each other off in the alley if this were true

coke and nut butta ill

omg spit

im about to throw up
Reply #13 posted 04/10/09 1:52pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

sextonseven said:

luv4u said:

eek eek


This is a very popular emoticon in this thread. lol


It sure is lol
Edmonton, AB - canada

"hush nubbits" !
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #14 posted 04/10/09 2:15pm

SCNDLS

Now this gives new meaning to "Eatin' the lining outta some pussy " This cop must have mad skills clapping
Reply #15 posted 04/10/09 2:20pm

PaisleyPark5083

Maybe he had a poppyseed bagel, like Elaine from Seinfeld. rolleyes
Reply #16 posted 04/10/09 2:42pm

uPtoWnNY

sexyone said:

sextonseven said:

This NYC cop says yes:



So does that mean she had cocaine on her pu$$y.... pussy



hmmm ....not a bad way of getting high. Wonder what coke pussy-juice tastes like?
Reply #17 posted 04/10/09 3:35pm

BlackAdder7

wouldn't he have noticed that his tongue was numb???
Reply #18 posted 04/10/09 6:15pm

ZombieKitten

Lucky I don't do any drugs nod
Reply #19 posted 04/10/09 6:15pm

hokie

ZombieKitten said:

Lucky I don't do any drugs nod



Why? You got cops eating your pussy?
Reply #20 posted 04/10/09 6:20pm

ZombieKitten

hokie said:

ZombieKitten said:

Lucky I don't do any drugs nod



Why? You got cops eating your pussy?


I got moths in there skull remember? what kind of question is that? falloff
Reply #21 posted 04/10/09 6:21pm

hokie

ZombieKitten said:

hokie said:




Why? You got cops eating your pussy?


I got moths in there skull remember? what kind of question is that? falloff



Moths? hmm

The question fits with the story. You having moths in there however does not.

whofarted
Reply #22 posted 04/10/09 6:23pm

ZombieKitten

hokie said:

ZombieKitten said:



I got moths in there skull remember? what kind of question is that? falloff



Moths? hmm

The question fits with the story. You having moths in there however does not.

whofarted


cop
Reply #23 posted 04/10/09 6:24pm

kimrachell

WTH? eek lol eek lol eek
Reply #24 posted 04/10/09 6:24pm

hokie

ZombieKitten said:

hokie said:




Moths? hmm

The question fits with the story. You having moths in there however does not.

whofarted


cop



Are you OK? I'm worried about you. comfort
Reply #25 posted 04/11/09 12:08pm

Sander

Sexton, this article is hilarious!!!

Oh, and: eek
Reply #26 posted 04/11/09 1:26pm

Alej

wtf lol
The orger formerly known as theodore
Reply #27 posted 04/11/09 1:30pm

SUPRMAN

SCNDLS said:

Now this gives new meaning to "Eatin' the lining outta some pussy " This cop must have mad skills clapping



I have to go with you on this one. (Btw, where are those picture of you in those shoes? The black ones? Don't act like you don't know either. lol )


But I don't think the science backs up his story.
She's ingested it and metabolized it. He ingests it from her body and it shows up in hair follicles as what? A cocaine metabolite.
Cocaine doesn't remain unchanged in the body. Was he eating her so much, his body had more that it could metabolize? VERY doubtful.

The more I think about it, the less I buy it.
I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
Reply #28 posted 04/11/09 2:23pm

SUPRMAN

Originally published in (eds. Edward. J. Cone, Ph.D., Michael. J. Welch, Ph.D., and M. Beth Grigson Babecki, M.A.) Hair Testing for Drugs of Abuse: International Research on Standards and Technology, 1995, p. 91-120. NIH Publication No. 95-3727.

ANALYSIS OF HAIR FOR COCAINE

Gary L. Henderson, Martha R. Harkey, and Reese T. Jones



The use of hair as a specimen to detect cocaine use was first reported in 1981 (Arnold and Püschel 1981; Valente et al. 1981). In those studies, hair samples from suspected drug abusers were analyzed by radioimmunoassay (RIA) for the cocaine metabolite benzoylecgonine (BZE) in an attempt to verify a history of cocaine use. Additional studies using RIA followed shortly thereafter (Arnold and Püschel 1981; Valente et al. 1981; Baumgartner et 1982; Smith and Liu 1986; Michalodimitrakis 1987). The first gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) procedures for detecting cocaine in hair were not reported until 1987 (Balabanova and Homoki 1987). When this more specific technique was used, it was found that cocaine, not BZE, is the primary analyte in hair. The metabolites BZE and ecgonine methyl ester (EME), shown in figure 1, are present in such low and variable concentrations that they may result from environmental degradation of cocaine already present in hair. Because of the lack of specificity used in some of the early studies, it is difficult to evaluate much of this literature. For example, some investigators quantitated "cocaine" in hair using RIA antibodies highly specific for BZE, whereas others used RlAs more specific for cocaine. In addition, some digestion or extraction procedures could have caused degradation of cocaine.



FIGURE 1. Chemical structure and molecular weight (MW) of cocaine and the metabolites
benzoylecgonine, ecgonine methyl ester, cocaethylene, and norcocaine.

The past few years have seen the development of highly specific and sensitive GC/MS methods for the simultaneous detection and quantitation of cocaine and several of its metabolites in hair. These methods have been applied to hair samples obtained from a variety of animal species and human subjects. It is now clear from these more detailed studies that in all species studied and by all routes of administration, cocaine is incorporated into hair as the parent drug and can be detected in hair for months after administration. What has not been determined is the relationship between the dose and the amount of drug in hair or whether the position of the drug along the hair shaft can be used to determine the time of drug ingestion.
[edited here for brevity]

Dose-Response Relationships

The correlation between the dose of cocaine and the amounts of drug and metabolites detected in hair is unclear at the present time and remains controversial. Most studies have shown few correlations between dose of drug and concentration found in hair.


On the other hand, Martinez and colleagues (1993) analyzed hair samples from Hispanic males attending a community outreach program and concluded that hair analysis could identify drug use that was not detected by urinalysis; however, there was no particular relationship between the stated frequency of cocaine use and the levels of cocaine and BZE in the hair of their subjects. Möller and colleagues (1992) found no correlation between concentrations of cocaine or metabolites in hair and the reported use patterns of South American coca chewers.

Controlled-Dose Studies. The authors administered precise doses of cocaine-d5 to 25 subjects under controlled clinical conditions and used GC/MS to quantitate the cocaine, BZE, and EME incorporated into hair (Henderson et al. 1993). A poor correlation was found between the dose administered and the amount of drug (cocaine-d5) incorporated into hair. Under certain circumstances, increased doses did result in an increased amount of drug incorporated into hair; however, because of the considerable intersubject variability, it was impossible to infer the dose administered from the amount of drug in hair. However, the doses administered in the study were limited because of ethical and safety considerations and were no doubt considerably less than what might be used by compulsive cocaine users.Hair as a "Calendar" of Drug Intake

The authors found that it was difficult to estimate precisely the time of drug administration from the position of cocaine along the hair shaft. In some subjects' hair, sectional analysis showed that cocaine was confined to a relatively small segment of the hair shaft and that it migrated with time along the axis at a rate of about 1 cm/month, the reported hair growth rate for humans (Saitoh et al. 1969, pp. 183-201; Montagna and Parakkal 1974, pp. 83-105). However, in many subjects little correlation was found between the position of the drug along the shaft and the time since drug administration. Variables that contribute to inaccuracies in correlating position of drug along the hair shaft with the time of drug ingestion include intersubject differences in hair growth rate, measuring hairs in different phases of their growth cycle, and variability in alignment of the hair strands prior to cutting. Hair growth rate can vary threefold among individuals (0.5 to 1.5 cm/month) (Saitoh et al. 1969; Montagna and Parakkal 1974, pp. 83-105).

Uematsu and colleagues (1993) used a single dose of a quinolone antimicrobial to measure hair growth rate in human volunteers and found the drug was distributed widely along the hair shafts (5 to 7 cm) when five strands of hair were measured. However, when only one strand of hair was measured, the drug was restricted to a 1- to 2-cm portion of the shaft. This suggests that there may have been some variability in aligning the hair prior to cutting or that not all hairs in the sample were in the growing phase when the drug was ingested. Finally, because cocaine is excreted in sweat, it is possible that the drug may be incorporated directly into hair as the hair emerges from the scalp.

External Contamination as a Potential Source of False Positives

The possibility that a positive hair test for cocaine could result from external contamination is an important consideration when interpreting the results of a hair test. A few investigators have shown that washing can remove all externally deposited cocaine (Baumgartner and Hill 1992, pp. 577-597; Koren et al. 1992b). Others have found that hair exposed to cocaine in aqueous or other solution will accumulate large amounts of the drug; that washing will remove most, but not all, of the accumulated drug; and that the amount remaining will be consistent with very heavy drug use (Cone et al. 1991; Henderson et al. 1991; Welch et al. 1993; Blank and Kidwell 1993). The National Institute of Standards and Technology prepares reference materials by soaking hair in a solution of dimethylsulfoxide containing cocaine, BZE, morphine, and codeine. These materials are provided to laboratories as proficiency samples to evaluate the accuracy and precision of the laboratories' methods. Until this issue is resolved, external contamination should always be considered when interpreting hair analysis data, and both the collection site and the testing laboratory should have rigorous quality control measures to prevent contamination of any specimen. It has been proposed that unique metabolites such as cocaethylene or norcocaine be used as indicators of active exposure; that is, these metabolites, as well as cocaine and BZE, should be present in any hair sample declared positive (Cone et al. 1991). However, these metabolites are present in low, often undetectable, concentrations. In addition, cocaethylene or norcocaine has been identified in contraband cocaine samples, although this is likely a rare occurrence (Janzen 1992).




http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/cocaine/cokehair.htm


After researching this, I've changed my mind. The cop is probably telling the truth. And his actions (breaking up w/ girl, not even coffee, different environments-same behavior, no indicators of drug use [ I say this because I'm sure they looked, including financial records like ATM visits . . .]
I wonder if he had union representation at the drug test?
If he were fired for failing to submit to the hair test, but would submit to blood or urinalysis it would be interesting to see if he'd get his job back.
But urinalysis and blood are both more invasive than a hair sample.
I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
Reply #29 posted 04/11/09 6:31pm

SCNDLS

SUPRMAN said:

SCNDLS said:

Now this gives new meaning to "Eatin' the lining outta some pussy " This cop must have mad skills clapping



I have to go with you on this one. (Btw, where are those picture of you in those shoes? The black ones? Don't act like you don't know either. lol )


But I don't think the science backs up his story.
She's ingested it and metabolized it. He ingests it from her body and it shows up in hair follicles as what? A cocaine metabolite.
Cocaine doesn't remain unchanged in the body. Was he eating her so much, his body had more that it could metabolize? VERY doubtful.

The more I think about it, the less I buy it.

I posted 'em. Did you miss it??? lol
Reply #30 posted 04/11/09 8:19pm

weused2luvhim

SUPRMAN said:

Originally published in (eds. Edward. J. Cone, Ph.D., Michael. J. Welch, Ph.D., and M. Beth Grigson Babecki, M.A.) Hair Testing for Drugs of Abuse: International Research on Standards and Technology, 1995, p. 91-120. NIH Publication No. 95-3727.

ANALYSIS OF HAIR FOR COCAINE

Gary L. Henderson, Martha R. Harkey, and Reese T. Jones



The use of hair as a specimen to detect cocaine use was first reported in 1981 (Arnold and Püschel 1981; Valente et al. 1981). In those studies, hair samples from suspected drug abusers were analyzed by radioimmunoassay (RIA) for the cocaine metabolite benzoylecgonine (BZE) in an attempt to verify a history of cocaine use. Additional studies using RIA followed shortly thereafter (Arnold and Püschel 1981; Valente et al. 1981; Baumgartner et 1982; Smith and Liu 1986; Michalodimitrakis 1987). The first gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) procedures for detecting cocaine in hair were not reported until 1987 (Balabanova and Homoki 1987). When this more specific technique was used, it was found that cocaine, not BZE, is the primary analyte in hair. The metabolites BZE and ecgonine methyl ester (EME), shown in figure 1, are present in such low and variable concentrations that they may result from environmental degradation of cocaine already present in hair. Because of the lack of specificity used in some of the early studies, it is difficult to evaluate much of this literature. For example, some investigators quantitated "cocaine" in hair using RIA antibodies highly specific for BZE, whereas others used RlAs more specific for cocaine. In addition, some digestion or extraction procedures could have caused degradation of cocaine.



FIGURE 1. Chemical structure and molecular weight (MW) of cocaine and the metabolites
benzoylecgonine, ecgonine methyl ester, cocaethylene, and norcocaine.

The past few years have seen the development of highly specific and sensitive GC/MS methods for the simultaneous detection and quantitation of cocaine and several of its metabolites in hair. These methods have been applied to hair samples obtained from a variety of animal species and human subjects. It is now clear from these more detailed studies that in all species studied and by all routes of administration, cocaine is incorporated into hair as the parent drug and can be detected in hair for months after administration. What has not been determined is the relationship between the dose and the amount of drug in hair or whether the position of the drug along the hair shaft can be used to determine the time of drug ingestion.
[edited here for brevity]

Dose-Response Relationships

The correlation between the dose of cocaine and the amounts of drug and metabolites detected in hair is unclear at the present time and remains controversial. Most studies have shown few correlations between dose of drug and concentration found in hair.


On the other hand, Martinez and colleagues (1993) analyzed hair samples from Hispanic males attending a community outreach program and concluded that hair analysis could identify drug use that was not detected by urinalysis; however, there was no particular relationship between the stated frequency of cocaine use and the levels of cocaine and BZE in the hair of their subjects. Möller and colleagues (1992) found no correlation between concentrations of cocaine or metabolites in hair and the reported use patterns of South American coca chewers.

Controlled-Dose Studies. The authors administered precise doses of cocaine-d5 to 25 subjects under controlled clinical conditions and used GC/MS to quantitate the cocaine, BZE, and EME incorporated into hair (Henderson et al. 1993). A poor correlation was found between the dose administered and the amount of drug (cocaine-d5) incorporated into hair. Under certain circumstances, increased doses did result in an increased amount of drug incorporated into hair; however, because of the considerable intersubject variability, it was impossible to infer the dose administered from the amount of drug in hair. However, the doses administered in the study were limited because of ethical and safety considerations and were no doubt considerably less than what might be used by compulsive cocaine users.Hair as a "Calendar" of Drug Intake

The authors found that it was difficult to estimate precisely the time of drug administration from the position of cocaine along the hair shaft. In some subjects' hair, sectional analysis showed that cocaine was confined to a relatively small segment of the hair shaft and that it migrated with time along the axis at a rate of about 1 cm/month, the reported hair growth rate for humans (Saitoh et al. 1969, pp. 183-201; Montagna and Parakkal 1974, pp. 83-105). However, in many subjects little correlation was found between the position of the drug along the shaft and the time since drug administration. Variables that contribute to inaccuracies in correlating position of drug along the hair shaft with the time of drug ingestion include intersubject differences in hair growth rate, measuring hairs in different phases of their growth cycle, and variability in alignment of the hair strands prior to cutting. Hair growth rate can vary threefold among individuals (0.5 to 1.5 cm/month) (Saitoh et al. 1969; Montagna and Parakkal 1974, pp. 83-105).

Uematsu and colleagues (1993) used a single dose of a quinolone antimicrobial to measure hair growth rate in human volunteers and found the drug was distributed widely along the hair shafts (5 to 7 cm) when five strands of hair were measured. However, when only one strand of hair was measured, the drug was restricted to a 1- to 2-cm portion of the shaft. This suggests that there may have been some variability in aligning the hair prior to cutting or that not all hairs in the sample were in the growing phase when the drug was ingested. Finally, because cocaine is excreted in sweat, it is possible that the drug may be incorporated directly into hair as the hair emerges from the scalp.

External Contamination as a Potential Source of False Positives

The possibility that a positive hair test for cocaine could result from external contamination is an important consideration when interpreting the results of a hair test. A few investigators have shown that washing can remove all externally deposited cocaine (Baumgartner and Hill 1992, pp. 577-597; Koren et al. 1992b). Others have found that hair exposed to cocaine in aqueous or other solution will accumulate large amounts of the drug; that washing will remove most, but not all, of the accumulated drug; and that the amount remaining will be consistent with very heavy drug use (Cone et al. 1991; Henderson et al. 1991; Welch et al. 1993; Blank and Kidwell 1993). The National Institute of Standards and Technology prepares reference materials by soaking hair in a solution of dimethylsulfoxide containing cocaine, BZE, morphine, and codeine. These materials are provided to laboratories as proficiency samples to evaluate the accuracy and precision of the laboratories' methods. Until this issue is resolved, external contamination should always be considered when interpreting hair analysis data, and both the collection site and the testing laboratory should have rigorous quality control measures to prevent contamination of any specimen. It has been proposed that unique metabolites such as cocaethylene or norcocaine be used as indicators of active exposure; that is, these metabolites, as well as cocaine and BZE, should be present in any hair sample declared positive (Cone et al. 1991). However, these metabolites are present in low, often undetectable, concentrations. In addition, cocaethylene or norcocaine has been identified in contraband cocaine samples, although this is likely a rare occurrence (Janzen 1992).




http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/cocaine/cokehair.htm


After researching this, I've changed my mind. The cop is probably telling the truth. And his actions (breaking up w/ girl, not even coffee, different environments-same behavior, no indicators of drug use [ I say this because I'm sure they looked, including financial records like ATM visits . . .]
I wonder if he had union representation at the drug test?
If he were fired for failing to submit to the hair test, but would submit to blood or urinalysis it would be interesting to see if he'd get his job back.
But urinalysis and blood are both more invasive than a hair sample.



Damn man, you got a lot of time on your hands. Hell I ain't got time to read all of that. reading
If you're not doing the fucking, then you're taking one.
Reply #31 posted 04/11/09 11:57pm

SUPRMAN

SCNDLS said:

SUPRMAN said:




I have to go with you on this one. (Btw, where are those picture of you in those shoes? The black ones? Don't act like you don't know either. lol )


But I don't think the science backs up his story.
She's ingested it and metabolized it. He ingests it from her body and it shows up in hair follicles as what? A cocaine metabolite.
Cocaine doesn't remain unchanged in the body. Was he eating her so much, his body had more that it could metabolize? VERY doubtful.

The more I think about it, the less I buy it.

I posted 'em. Did you miss it??? lol


Damn I must have.
I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
Reply #32 posted 04/12/09 8:47am

Fury

i soooo thought these were pictures of dead stick dogs lol






lol lol
Reply #33 posted 04/12/09 8:56am

mypancakeplaces

sextonseven said:

luv4u said:

eek eek


This is a very popular emoticon in this thread. lol


eek
Reply #34 posted 04/12/09 9:45am

SUPRMAN

Damn man, you got a lot of time on your hands. Hell I ain't got time to read all of that. reading


I enjoy reading and as you may have noticed research. But why ponder the question rather than answer the question?
I know more about the subject today than I did yesterday and that's a good thing.
I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
Reply #35 posted 04/12/09 7:17pm

bboy87

If that ain't a contact high, I don't know what is! lol
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